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How long before a bigger official eSATA drive?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by singletb, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. andrews777

    andrews777 New Member

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    Will a larger drive be certified any time soon? Does it have to be purchased from Tivo, or is that exact model sufficient? I would rather have 1TB, but I may bite at the current choice if I can skip the extra tax and shipping. (If they still have them in stock of course.)

    Brad
     
  2. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci Viva La Tivo!

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    FYI... I and a few others have found that the eSATA cable that comes with the MX-1 isn't all that great and caused me issues. The MX-1 paired with a SIIG eSATA cable works great though.
     
  3. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Thank you TiVoPony. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me such a fan of TiVo. I happen to be one of the ones who expanded my storage and it was my faith that TiVo Inc. wouldn't screw us over that gave me the confidence to carry that forward. Grandfathering us in, is very much appreciated and shows that TiVo does still care about us "TiVo Fanatics" and "early adopters". :up:
     
  4. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Couldn't have said it better myself...and to add to that...phew! :D
     
  5. TokyoShoe

    TokyoShoe Frustrated TiVoHD'er

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    Actually I think this is complete and total garbage. It is "Early Adopters" that went out and bought eSATA Drives to use with their TivoHD units in anticipation of being able to use them, just as they were useable with the Tivo Series3's. While I think they are smart not to disable all non-verified drives for previous Series 3 users, I think it's complete and total CRAP much less massively missleading advertising to sell off TivoHD's with an eSATA port .. but NOT tell the users you intend to lock it down and have it behave TOTALLY differently from previous generation Series 3's and their eSATA port.

    People bought TivoHD's with eSATA ports specifically to be able to upgrade them the same way people could with their Tivo Series 3's. Yes, I understand that was a "backdoor solution" regarding eSATA use and the Series 3's. But guess what? You NEVER commented on it being an "illegal solution" previously, and since no comments to this fact were ever made.. nor were there EVER comments regarding TivoHD requiring a "Verified Storage Solution" in the future. I personally think this is flat out dirty pool on the part of Tivo and I am losing respect for this company FAST.
     
  6. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Early adopters bought the Series 3 TiVo(in 2006). By the time the TiVoHD came out that was much later so i wouldn't call anyone who got a TiVoHD an early adopter.
     
  7. SCSIRAID

    SCSIRAID Active Member

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    No. Its not the enclosure that the Tivo is keying on.... Its the drive itself. The enclosure is invisable from the SATA interface. Its just a box.

    Now you could possibly buy a WD A/V drive and put it in an MX-1 and have it work fine. The question is whether there is a difference between the raw A/V drive and the one in the My DVR Expander.

    It could be tested using the drive taken out of a THD and hook it to an unmodified THD.
     
  8. ufo4sale

    ufo4sale Active Member

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    No offense but people don't buy "HD" TiVo's to watch SD content. 60 hours of HD is way to small. It might be good for now since the majority of shows aren't offered in HD but in a year or so when more channels are added the Hard Drive is going to run out of space very quickly.
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    So I wonder if it's possible to extract the 500GB drive and copy it to a 1TB drive and have it work properly.
     
  10. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Perhaps you missed it, but there was no TiVo support for eSATA on S3's or THD's until this week.

    See above.

    You may have, the general public did not and anyone that did took their chances and have no recourse…see above.

    See above.

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion...and we can see that you don't let facts stand in the way of shaping it.

    FYI, many of us began modifying S3's more than six months ago, not THD’s (which didn’t exist at the time). Whatever you are, you are not an “early adopter”.

    Look, you have been whining about this on dozens of threads since you became a forum member…we get it. Man up and deal with it or do us all a favor and take your TiVo back for a refund and take up some other pastime. :rolleyes:
     
  11. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Great idea! I like it! :up: Let us know how it goes! :D
     
  12. singletb

    singletb New Member

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    Amen Richsadams. The last person I wanted hijacking my thread is TokyoShoe. I have been reading nothing but way overboard complaints from him for the past week.
     
  13. andyw715

    andyw715 Active Member

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    you think tivo would have put a proprietary connector instead of vanilla esata on the back of the TiVo HD.

    Reduce the risk of someone trying to prematuraly attach a esata device prior to officially supporting external storage, thus eliminating thier anticipation of free reign on the esata input.
     
  14. mike_camden

    mike_camden New Member

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    I've stayed silent on this issue, but come on, man. You bought the TivoHD and then tried to use a backdoor solution. It didn't work. Until launching the expander, Tivo NEVER advertised it as a working feature on the Tivo HD with any eSATA drive, nor did they even allude to it as being something they would support. You, like all of us, frequent a site filled with early adopters who like to "hack" their equipment. You jumped too early, which is your fault, not Tivos. I've been caught doing the same thing with other techs and had to bite the bullet. I almost bought an antec external case a couple of weeks ago when they were on sale, but opted not to because a lot of speculation was pointing towards Tivo only supporting verified drives. You've got to suck it up here; constant bellyaching is only going to give you an ulcer.

    Tivo has made a business decision, which is probably a sound decision given the market that the Tivo HD targets.

    TivoPony, thanks for the honest response. Based on all of my interactions with Tivo over the years, I have found them to be one of the most consumer-oriented companies around.
     
  15. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    +1

    I don't think that gets said often enough lately. TiVo still rocks harder than anyone. Lest we not forget that. :up:
     
  16. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

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    That would be interesting to find out. It has to be the firmware description in the drive that is being keyed off of for the p'n'p installation, not the enclosure nor any content on the drive. But once setup will it check the drive each time or not? Someone with the TiVo specified drive and another different drive gets to test (it doesn't need to be a bigger one for the purposes of proof of concept). :up:
     
  17. lrhorer

    lrhorer New Member

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    Well, yeah, but who wants to put 600 hours of SD programming on an HD DVR, and basic quality at that? I have 2 TB on one Series III and 1TB on the other. If I had only SD programming, I could get over 2000 hours of basic quality SD on them. Outside of TiVo Suggestions I have maybe 20 hours of SD content stored in total between the two of them.

    I just flashed on something. Does anyone recall what the recording capacity of the very first production Series I TiVo was? :p
     
  18. lrhorer

    lrhorer New Member

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    Oops.

    Frankly, I think the mileage TiVo received or could have received if they bothered so to do from having widely distributed unpaid beta testers in the form of eager hackers could have far exceeded any negative impacts to your marketing and development strategy. To put it another way, If I were you, I would have quietly and unofficially but publicly and deliberately put the utility in front of the users for them to try at their own risk.

    Not at all. As one other poster already pointed out, disabling the marriage code will not prevent already married drives from working. Indeed, those of us with other than stock drives already make use of different utilities than the TiVo stock marriage utility.

    Which is perfectly reasonable, and would be even if events had unfolded differently.

    I should imagine not.

    It's difficult to judge inflection in this type of forum, so I may well be misreading between the lines. Forgive me and correct me if I am, but there is a huge difference between providing a Supported Items list while refusing to supply support for items not on the list and actively preventing a product from functioning in an unsupported fashion or with unsupported third party equipment. It almost sounds like and seems like TiVo is leaning toward the latter. If so, and again I could easily be way off base, I feel compelled to remark that this is a very poor marketing gambit.

    Think about it for a moment. If you purchased a Ferrari and they recommended only a limited number of brand of tires be used, refusing to repair under warranty any damages caused by the use of unapproved tires, you would probably not object - but would probably buy whatever tires you wanted despite the company line. If they put a gizmo in the car which prevented it from starting when you installed tires from Bob's tire shop, however, you would raise bloody Hell.

    How far would Compaq or Dell get if they prevented their PCs from working with the majority of hard drives on the market? The TiVo isn't really substanitally different from the PC on my desk from a peripherals perspective. (Of course in the event TiVo winds up with a list of approved drives a mile long, the point becomes rather moot.)

    Better yet, what would TiVo say if either a major television manufacturer or one of the major CATV providers came up with a way to prevent the TV from working if a TiVo is attached?
     
  19. lrhorer

    lrhorer New Member

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    'Mostly. I'd like to make sure they know we want them to keep it that way.
     
  20. hummingbird_206

    hummingbird_206 Active Member

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