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How Big Cable killed the open set-top box

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by morac, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Those were common in this area. The cable box automatically switched between both cables.
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    "Prior to that AT&T gave people a phone when they signed up for service and people couldn't buy their own phone."

    No, they installed a phone and charged you rent on it every month, but it still belonged to them.
     
  3. morac

    morac Cat God

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    That makes it even more like the cable companies.
     
  4. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    In fairness to the old telephone system, it meant that in the event of a problem, they were dealing with known entities, because the actual piece of hardware in the subscriber's house was one designed and built exactly the way they wanted it, and not some unknown piece of junk from who knows where.

    And, of course, back in the day, they could roll over "excess" profits into stuff like Bell Labs, where research could be done that might not pay off until a decade or 3 later, or might not have a direct payoff at all, but stuff like Bell Labs scientists discovering the background radiation of the universe still helped with a general, overall advancement of science and scientific knowledge.
     
  5. mattack

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    No, I realize that.. what I mean is that it sounded like he needed the cable box UNLESS you had a cable ready TV.. But it also had two cables..
     
  6. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    Interesting. That reminded me to check up on other filings and it turns out that has a recent interesting filing as well.

    http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view?id=6017097789

    They're asking for a waiver from the requirement that their MSO supplied boxes comply with an "open industry standard" by December 1st.

    Evidently the problem is that the industry hasn't made public any "open industry standard" and without access to such a standard TiVo can't comply with it. It's not clear whether the cable MSOs and their partners are working on such a thing and plan to just spring it on the public when the time comes or whether they were just going to ignore the requirement and then complain that no standard was set if anyone complains when they don't comply.

    Either way, it's smart for TiVo to force the issue and make sure they're covered.
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Wouldn't it be loverly if the FCC just told TiVo to go ahead and develop the standard and they'd then impose it on everyone?

    I know it'll never happen but it'd be nice to have the rumor floated just to see heads explode at Cisco and Motorola.
     
  8. btwyx

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    What does a cable box do that a TiVo Premier doesn't do? Now I've got VoD on the Premier.
     
  9. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    TiVos and other third party devices would be far more attractive is the Cable companies weren't lying about their equipment costs and thus low-balling the customer owned equipment credit.
     
  10. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Yep. Two cables, connected to an A/B switch. Output of switch connected to either a cable box or cable ready TV.
     
  11. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Not everyone has VoD on their Premiere, but even if they did there are other things my cable box does that the TiVo does not: Caller ID info, channel menus (shows multiple channels on the screen and selecting one of the channels plays the audio from it), jump from a channel to directly to it's corresponding VoD menu. Those are just a few. Basically any kind of cable interactive service only works on a cable provided box.
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Make extra money for the cable company?
     
  13. emphasis

    emphasis New Member

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    totally agree but who knows
     
  14. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    If the cable co. subsidizes the cable box with higher cable rates, and a customer uses a TiVo instead of the cable box I would think the cable co.s would make more money, no service calls for a non working cable box etc.
     

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