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House passes STELA, ends Cablecard integration requirement

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by slowbiscuit, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. Aug 6, 2014 #101 of 138
    trip1eX

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    They get about a $1 per month in revenue from an MSO sub and about $8 per month from a Tivo owned sub.

    They make money on the hardware up front when selling it to the MSO or so it appears. They sold $16 million in hardware to MSOs and their hardware costs were $12 million. They added about 340k MSO subscribers. If those numbers were directly related then that's only $10 per subscriber in MSO hardware gross profit. But I am only skimming right now. I assume I don't know the full picture. They may depreciate their hardware revenue over time or MSOs might be ordering hardware ahead of time in preparation to sell to their subscribers? And so MSO additions and number of MSO hardware sold aren't directly related.

    They lose money on hardware up front when selling direct to the customer. They lost about $130 per gross subscription addition (SAC) this past quarter which includes Tivo Minis. Previous YoY quarter it was $187. And for the 12months ending April 30th in 2014 and 2013 it was $186 and $210. I would attribute the drop in SAC to Tivo Minis and the hardware being cheaper overall to make.
     
  2. Aug 6, 2014 #102 of 138
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I always love it when I subscribe to a thread that is specific to something I have a great interest in, and it turns into a financial debate, losing the content I crave... :( :mad:

    Why not discuss gun control laws and android streaming while we're at it. Those are great thread killers too...
     
  3. Aug 6, 2014 #103 of 138
    Bigg

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    Yeah, because only small MSOs in the US use TiVo, none of the big players.

    The financials are actually related to TiVo. Well, so is Android streaming. But until someone shoots a hole in a TiVo, gun control isn't.
     
  4. Aug 6, 2014 #104 of 138
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    You haven't seen the YouTube video of that yet? :D

    Somebody posted a video of them dropping their TiVoHD off a building roof, then coming down and stomping on it, via the TiVo facebook page.

    While I'm not going to be specific, I did personally witness the results of high-powered rifle rounds passing through a TiVo. So, I guess it is relevant, although video of this event does not exist. So, YouTube hunting it is...

    Don't bring a TiVo to a gunfight (unless you just want to see TiVo carnage).
     
  5. Aug 7, 2014 #105 of 138
    slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    LOL, yet another thread gone off the rails.
     
  6. Aug 7, 2014 #106 of 138
    trip1eX

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    The Cablecard requirement had to be lifted.

    Look at the Apple TV and how many channels it has that show live content or recent content if you authenticate through your cable subscription. It seems to be home to quite a few cable channels now.

    The ATV is practically a set top box. And no cablecard needed.
     
  7. Aug 7, 2014 #107 of 138
    Bigg

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    WHAT?!? Pics or it didn't happen!

    Nowhere close. A lot of content is still only available through linear cable. And accessing TV Everywhere content is a PITA compared to TiVo.
     
  8. Aug 7, 2014 #108 of 138
    telemark

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    Doesn't the FCC say it has no power over IPTV? Incumbants can love new tech because their regulators are too slow to adapt the rules to them.

    Apple has an inordinate amount of content buying power and and cash. It has been willing to pay to grease otherwise sticky wheels. Isn't this the exact scenario we should be striving to avoid? (content being available to preferred partners, and smaller players who couldn't pay being shut out and then can never sell their boxes)

    When the googleTV boxes came out, it could play internet video from webpages that were otherwise playable on a PC. Then the site owners selectively blocked their useragent, dooming the platform.
     
  9. Aug 7, 2014 #109 of 138
    MeInDallas

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    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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  11. Aug 8, 2014 #111 of 138
    trip1eX

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    It is a pain in the arse to go in and out of channel apps. I would probably get annoyed.

    But nowhere close? It is creeping up there. It has espn, history channel, lifetime, a&E, ABC news, ABC, Fox, cnbc, HBOGo, Disney XD, weather channel, MLB, nHL, MLS, NBA, ... and counting.
     
  12. Aug 8, 2014 #112 of 138
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's not me, for the record. I'm a much better shot, from a much greater distance. ;)

    Hypothetically, I'd use mercury fulminate points, and there would be nothing left to recognize, or I'd draw a :( , using full-metal jackets. :cool:

    Copper core points are fun too.
     
  13. Aug 8, 2014 #113 of 138
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    I really need to brush up on basic reading skills, I was about to reply and totally go off topic until I re-read your reply and only then noticed your use of the word "Hypothetically".

    Since I'm already OT, might as well say I have a couple hundred 22lr tracer rounds that, along with a couple Dtivo's, would make a impressive YouTube video. I'm saving them for something special, just haven't figured out what yet...
     
  14. Aug 8, 2014 #114 of 138
    Bigg

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    Well, I stand corrected in my original statement about bullets going through a TiVo! :D:D:D

    There's a lot of stuff even among those missing, and the experience just isn't there except for specialized applications.
     
  15. Aug 8, 2014 #115 of 138
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Tracer rounds are illegal. You should have used "hypothetically"! :D

    Seriously, Mythbusters was trying to make car gas tanks explode, and they had to have their FBI and other agents present when they couldn't make a tank explode via bullets, no matter what gun or type of round, and moved to tracer rounds. IIRC, even tracer rounds didn't work.

    "When in doubt, C-4" (Hypothetically).

    This thread is toast anyway, might as well make the best of it...
     
  16. Aug 9, 2014 #116 of 138
    trip1eX

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    There is more cable content on an ATV than a MSO box hooked up to an economy cable subscription would provide.

    It wouldn't be your main set top box. But this thing could be one of your 3rd or 4th tv.
     
  17. Aug 9, 2014 #117 of 138
    telemark

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    Maybe tangential, but IMHO software encryption is usually more easily broken than the CableCard / hardware schemes.

    The industry is going to walk themselves into a nest of piracy. Then copyright holders will lean on the Federal Government to fix it, which is going to be unpleasant somehow.
     
  18. Aug 9, 2014 #118 of 138
    lessd

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    There was a market for piracy of analog encryption, but I know of nobody that has been able to break the digital encryption, cable card or before the cable card, if some of what used in the cable card and non cable card MSO boxes is built into the TiVo I don't see that piracy will go up.
     
  19. eboydog

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    Tracers are not illegal in my state, now some shooting ranges don't allow them and one must be careful when it's dry. Biggest problem is finding a safe place to use them. To my knowledge there are only a one state, California were they are ilegall but I would guess there might be others.

    What's really cool is some belted tracer rounds my father gave me that he "found" when he was in the service stationed at Berlin back in the 50's. They are rather valuable and rare which despite being offered some rather inticing offers to sell them, I never shot them as being true military tracker rounds , they can ignite fire very easily not to mention as old as they are, I'm not sure how reliable they would be. Their value is just being a collector's item.
     
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Makes sense, since Mythbusters films 98% of their content in CA.

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