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House of Cards - Season 2 - Episodes 01 and 02

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. ElJay

    ElJay Active Member

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    After the first season of the US series aired, I checked out the British version. I thought the first season was great, but I felt the other two weren't quite on the same level. Maybe the second season was just too "British" (revolving around FU vs the monarchy) for me to find much interest in its primary storyline.

    The third series was FU dealing with his own mistakes... It seemed like the character suddenly became very weak and I found that hard to swallow, amongst other weird things going on. "Let's put lots of sex in it and maybe people won't notice how absurd this is."
     
  2. Robin

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    One thing I'm not sure about without a re-watch: did Frank go in to their meeting certain he was going to kill her or was he keeping his options open until he decided for certain?
     
  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I think it was the latter. But he probably strongly suspected he was going to have to do it, since he knew she would be a pit bull with that story.
     
  4. john4200

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    Yes, from the way the conversation went, it seemed like Frank was doing more than just killing (ahem) time before the train came. I think he was trying to find out if she could possibly be expected to back off. But, as a surprise to no one, she would not back off, so he went ahead with his plan. The only problem I have with it is the timing. It would have made more sense if he managed to get her to come back there a few seconds earlier, so that he could get her into position to launch when the train came.
     
  5. JYoung

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    Or the General simply doesn't consider what he did to Claire wrong. Or at least he doesn't think he'll get called out on it.
    I suspect that we haven't seen the last of that storyline.

    Count me as surprised that Zoe got offed just like that.
    Then with Janine leaving, you've got the two women reporters gone just like that.
    (Although I grant that she could return later.)

    I don't think that Underwood would be content with just the Vice Presidency.
    I'm sure he's got more schemes to pull.
     
  6. kmccbf

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    I expected Zoe to be killed at some point. It just came sooner than I expected. I also think he planned the possibility, but really just wanted to see how bulldogish she would be. As far as camera angles, I'm sure that would have been thought of no matter what. He didn't want to be seen.

    One funny thing that happened while watching the first episode, is while he was putting on the cuff links at the end. I turned to my wife and side. "Where are my asides. I really miss the asides." and it was at that exact second he turned to look at the camera and said. "Did you think I'd forgotten about you."
     
  7. Beryl

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    I knew Zoe was going to die on those tracks before she walked over to talk to him. I said in my best Whoopi/Ghost imitation voice, "Zoe, you're in danger, girl".
     
  8. milo99

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    on the doctor visits: remember they had an agreement that they wouldn't have kids. they discussed it last season. She however, started to get the maternal clock ticking and is just exploring her options right now. at this point, she probably doesn't know which way she's going to go.

    On the rapist kissing her: while i've never known rapists, i do know rape victims, all of whom never reported the attacks. The general's action was not at all surprising, as victims have told me that their attacker acted like nothing was wrong between them when they've seen each other again. It could be either obliviousness (doubtful) or more likely, the power trip. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power and control. and walking up to your victim and acting like nothing's wrong, even kissing her on the cheek, and even bringing up their history together... he's just exhibiting his power.
     
  9. rifleman69

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    He covered all loose ends first before deciding on killing her. Remember he stayed out of the camera's view for a reason...just in case!
     
  10. JYoung

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    Of course, had Zoe backed up her iPhone to her computer, Underwood would be screwed.
     
  11. rifleman69

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    Very true, although I know a ton of people who don't backup their phone regularly if at all. Not out of the realm of possibility but since she's a journalist, I would have expected her to backup her phone at least once a week if not sooner.
     
  12. Beryl

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    I thought the same thing. Depending on her erasing a contact and messages was silly. That data still exists.
     
  13. JYoung

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    I back up my phone almost daily but I know that I'm by far, the exception to the rule.

    I've known a number of professionals who do not back up their phone at all.

    If I were Lucas, I'd be checking her computer before engaging a hacker to break into the phone company's database.
    But I suspect that the writers will ignore that possibility as it doesn't have the irony of Underwood inadvertently nudging Lucas to seek out the hacker by influencing the Secretary of State about China about the cyber warfare issue.

    True.

    I was thinking though, if Zoe was syncing her calendar and contacts to iCloud or Google, the last sync may not have gone through due to poor data connectivity (not uncommon in subway stations) on not having enough time to sync before she was hit by that train (assuming her iPhone was destroyed in the impact).

    I can't remember if she actually voice called Underwood or not but they didn't show her deleting her call log either.

    However, Underwood's contact in the cloud doesn't prove anything.
    He could just hand wave that away saying, "I don't know how she got my number but she was asking for a quote about a story".
     
  14. MikeAndrews

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    Funny.

    I knew that "Jackie" was familiar and was sure she was "Stands With A Fist" from "Dances with Wolves."

    Nope. Doppleganger.
     
  15. MikeAndrews

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    Another funny is when I rewatched the last 3 episodes of Season 1 I thought how Frank could be tripped up because Russo was in the passenger seat.

    Frank's driver also knows that Frank drove Russo's car home. That's why he had to be kept in the fold, I guess.

    How did Frank know which berth in the garage was Russo's?
     
  16. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Ignoring the fact that they don't really look much alike at all, you really thought Mary McDonnell, who was 38 in 1990 when "Dances with Wolves" was released, would still look that good in 2014 when she's 62?

    Oh wait, I guess I should have realized this is the artist formerly known as Netringer, who antagonized the "hawt" threads with pics of senior citizens.

    ;)
     
  17. DeDondeEs

    DeDondeEs Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    That was great when at the very end of ep 1 he looks at the camera and says "Did you think I forgot about you?"

    While watching the episode I was wondering if they had abandoned the talking to the camera aspect, which really wouldn't have made much sense because that is part of what makes the show so great.
     
  18. MikeAndrews

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    What reason does Frank have to (get the POTUS to) defy Tusk, other than to show him who's in charge?

    I lost track, but I gather Frank/Jackie had to offer Buchwalter Ways and Means to get him to NOT drop out of the race for Whip so Jackie could win the split vote, and he insisted that Jackie's mentor Havemeyer had to pay for opposing him for senate?
     
  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Frank wields his power through influence and manipulation. If POTUS is consulting Tusk on every decision, then that limits Frank's ability to influence and manipulate POTUS, which limit's Frank's ability to do what he does best.
     
  20. DeDondeEs

    DeDondeEs Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I'm going to start a new drinking game. Whenever someone asks Frank "Did you know about this?" take a drink.
     

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