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House of Cards - Season 1 *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by BlueMerle, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Robin

    Robin Nasty Woman

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    Doh! I completely forgot that.

    I need to rewatch.
     
  2. cheerdude

    cheerdude Reed & Juliet's CPA

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    I've heard that it was very well done...
     
  3. gossamer88

    gossamer88 HDTV Snob

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    Watched three episodes back-to-back-to-back. Just cannot get into it. Maybe I don't political dramas. Also do not like the Spacey character breaking the fourth wall. Doesn't work here, IMO.
     
  4. nirisahn

    nirisahn Active Member TCF Club

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    Breaking the fourth wall was also done in the BBC version. I watched all 12 episodes this weekend. It was very well done.

    One thing I liked better about the BBC version was the whole attitude of it was a little bit cheekier. It had a bit more charm. The character of Francis was just as conniving and heartless, but for some reason, seemed more likeable. The US version is much darker in tone.

    If you're enjoying the US version, I would definitely recommend the BBC version. I don't think one spoils the other at all.
     
  5. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    I disagree 100%.

    It was a little odd at first, but during the second episode I grew accustomed to it and really enjoyed it throughout the rest of the season.

    It provided some really interesting moments and Spacey does it so well.
     
  6. zalusky

    zalusky Active Member TCF Club

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    +1 my feelings exactly. I think its a great away for us to see what he is thinking without bubbles appearing over his head. There is so much mental strategy going on this show it really makes sense to give us a heads up.

    The scene towards the end with the fake VP candidate was great how it went back and forth with who's on top so to speak.
     
  7. Lee 2.0

    Lee 2.0 Hoopy frood

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    Is this based off the British series with Ian Richardson? I've been considering watching that - anyone seen it?
     
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    nirisahn Active Member TCF Club

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  9. Lee 2.0

    Lee 2.0 Hoopy frood

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    So, yes, then. Just trying to find out without reading all the spoilers.
     
  10. aaronwt

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    He was backed into a corner. And the opportunity presented itself, so he took advantage of it. His goal after he got screwed out of the Secretary of State position was to be VP. And Russo was going to ruin that big time. If he wasn't backed into a corner I don't think he would have killed Russo, but at that point he really had not much of a choice. He was going to be screwed by Russo, and the golden opportunity showed up and he took it.
     
  11. john4200

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    Of course he had a choice. Frank had been making all sorts of clever moves, tricking people, persuading people, calling in favors, etc. As I said, there were other moves Frank could have made to try to stop Russo from implicating Frank. Except for psychopaths, planned murder is a last resort. Frank had not exhausted his options yet.

    And even if we ignore the moral issues, murder is much more risky than the other stunts Frank pulled. Corrupt police officials may help cover up a drug or prostitution charge, but they are much less likely to help cover up a murder. And murders have a very high rate of being solved, especially when the person killed is a congressman. So Frank really has to pin his hopes on Russo's death never being investigated as a murder. Considering how rushed Frank's planning was (eg., Russo was on the passenger side of the car, that building almost certainly had video surveillance on the garage entrances and exits, etc.) I think the chances are less than 50% that it will be accepted as a suicide and not investigated further. It was not a smart move, and Frank had been quite smart up until the murder.
     
  12. zalusky

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    One thing about the murder is it clearly puts him Tony Soprano territory. Somebody you love to watch but you clearly know is a bad guy.
    Up till that point you just saw him as a politician using a lot of tactics even if somewhat underhanded. Now we see him as a bad guy even though everybody else does not. It is still not clear how much his wife knows and whether she would still be behind him if she knew.

    Which reminds me of another show:
    It reminds me of Homeland where we did not if he was a true bad guy until late in the season.
     
  13. aaronwt

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    Whoops!! I almost read that spoiler. I haven't watched the second season of Homeland yet. Although it could have dealt with the first season, but I closed it before reading the sentence.
     
  14. zalusky

    zalusky Active Member TCF Club

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    I did an edit. However my spoiler hide was about the first season.
     
  15. Aquaman X

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    I was absolutely taken in by this series, and felt it was the best political drama I've seen on television. Well, until Frank murdered Russo in cold blood. The irony was, the day before I saw that episode, I was trying to get a friend to watch the show, and I described it as a gritty political drama, not a cheesy political thriller where somebody is killed in a conspiracy... oh, rats. All season was spent showing how Frank is a cold, master manipulator. Hell, even I could've convinced Russo the next morning that the best course of action was to keep his mouth shut. The murder was completely out of character, and made no logical sense considering the lengths Frank went to get this far. As was pointed out in a previous posting, the murder of a congressman would be extensively investigated, and he left evidence all over the place (his casual wipe-down is meaningless in a DNA world... his coat fibers alone would be all over the seat, and he left his fingerprint on the garage door button). It's a damn shame, because I was all-in up to that point.
     
  16. Jesda

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    Frank is about control. As everything began to unravel, I think he killed Russo to regain a sense of power.
     
  17. Robin

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    And he's never been perfectly in control. He totally f'd up in the vowel speech.

    He saw an opportunity and he took it.
     
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    Which makes no sense, because Frank has no control over a murder investigation. By killing someone, Frank becomes vulnerable, not powerful.
     
  19. Jesda

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    If you look at it from an emotional or psychological point of view, like a typical rapist or killer, an irrational or violent act usually stems from an urgent need to feel control and power, even if it's fleeting.
     
  20. john4200

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    Sure, but as I already wrote in this thread, that psychotic character trait was not built up in Frank over several episodes. The only real evidence of it was the opening episode one scene with the dog, and I felt like they just added that on so they could check off the "psychopath foreshadowing" box on their "How to write TV shows guide". What Frank was shown to be over most of the episodes is a highly intelligent but ruthless person who would take whatever steps were necessary to accomplish his goals in the most clever manner, but without any needless cruelty that is a trait of a psychopathic killer.
     

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