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Homeland S02E12 "The Choice" 12/16/2012

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by robojerk, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Gerryex

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    Yes! I thought the same exact thing!!

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  2. tiams

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    I have very suspicious feelings about Saul. I think his wife has something to do with Saul him being something other than what he appears, and now she is back.
    Remember in season 1 when the rug in Saul's office was pointedly referred to? That made me suspicious of him way back then. Then this episode, when Carrie and Brody run off to an office to make out I wondered if that was Saul's office because the rug was visually prominent.

    As for the president not being at the memorial, I would think the continuity of government plan would have him in a bunker somewhere until a new VP has been nominated and everything has settled down.
     
  3. efilippi

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    I too thought the Saul wife thing was a bit unbelievable. I'm not sure I can therefore call her a bad guy or not, but her offering to come back with that 'you poor thing' tone in her voice just doesn't mesh with what I remember of her.
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    But then the look of...shock? Anger? Disgust?...on her face when he accepted her offer told a different story. She obviously expected him to say "No, don't do that..."
     
  5. tiams

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    It's suspicious. There is something up with either her or Saul or both.

    BTW, every time I hear his last name I think of the cartoon family of bears.
     
  6. Archangel00

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    Anybody defending this crap is just plain refusing to see what they're being shown.

    How(why) is it that Quinn is all of a sudden 20-30 feet away from Brody with a weapon designed for, and most effective at long range?

    A H-46 Chinook approaching the USS Missouri(BB-63) which is a museum on battleship row.

    Saul then debarking a H-3 Sea King, which was moments later also clearly shown on the flight deck of what appears to be a WWII era aircraft carrier since the Missouri has no such area below it's helo pad where the body was being commited to the sea.

    Crody leaving what has just become the nation's biggest crime scene completely unchallenged or noticed.

    They arrive at the storage unit in a sedan, then they are shown in a SUV upon arrival at the document forger. That must be one stupedously magical bug out bag, that would make Michael Westen as green as The Hulk with envy.(not just blush)

    The whole premise that this attack could take place at all, much less in the manner that it did, or the depicted size of the explosion and the extent of the damage. (we've already seen a similar scenario, in the same size vehicle on NCIS, and that one was much more believable, and I'm guessing accurate too, in it's scope)

    I do agree Patinkin knocked it out of the park in the final scene though.
     
  7. BradJW

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    I'm right there with you!
     
  8. MikeAndrews

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    At this point we have to give up on just logic, much less technical details.

    I'll bet there is no way you can bring a vehicle anywhere near the building at Langley. They did have a shooter in the parking lot not very long ago.

    I couldn't figure out why they obviously were using Claire's double for the reverse shots when Saul was taking to Carrie in the hallway. You just saw her hair bobbing trying to match how she did her end. That's gotta make it needlessly tough for the guy on camera to act his side of the dialog.
     
  9. astrohip

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    Which helo on which battleship are non-issues for me.

    I don't disagree that there are some obvious questions. Like how they got out of the Langley parking lot. They'll either answer them, or they won't. But I enjoy the show and will continue to watch.

    A couple episodes ago everyone was ragging on how easily they caught Abu Nazir, and what BS that was. It's now clear the writers knew what they were doing every step of the way. Is it perfect? Not even close. Is it fun to watch? Hell yeah!

    Claire Danes is pregnant.
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    Really?

    I remember everybody ragging on how stupid the FBI SWAT team that was searching for him in the tunnels was, not how easily they captured Nazir.

    And that's how it's been all season...people do incredibly stupid or unbelievable things because the writers need them to in order to hit the next plot point. The storytelling of the show has become embarrassingly bad. And the soap opera relationships are almost a parody of the first season. Instead of Carrie's relationship with Brody being in the context of her highly disturbing sex life, now it's some grand, epic romance. Instead of Carrie being seen as an obsessive and literally insane woman (who happens to be right, but nobody knows that), now everybody knows that she's superwoman (although she still makes the crazy-face, even though she no longer does much that's actually crazy). The show has become simply ridiculous.

    The only thing that saves it at all is astonishing acting. And it's a monumental tribute to, really, the entire cast that they can take material this wretched and make it seem at least somewhat compelling.
     
  11. gchance

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    I saw it in 48fps and loved every minute! Non-distracting 3D, and bringing in Mandy Patinkin as Radagast was a brilliant maneuver.

    Greg
     
  12. getreal

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    Are you in the right thread? :confused:
     
  13. gchance

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    I'm not sure, all these threads run together with so many folks who simply can't be entertained anymore.

    Greg
     
  14. dwells

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    I am so glad I am not the only one with this opinion. I am sure I am going to get flamed big time, but for the life of me I cannot understand the unbelievable, incredible scrutiny that television shows are subjected to by people like us who post on message boards.

    I agree 100% that in season 2, there have been a bunch of plot holes (although, as Sepinwall pointed out, some of them were somewhat explained or at least mitigated with this episode). There were more than a few moments where I rolled my eyes- the biggest for me, and the one that I cannot defend, was Brody being alone in the room when the VP dies, and no one even thinks to think of him as being responsible.

    But there is pretty much no television show or movie that can stand up to the microscopic nit picking that goes on today. I can't believe that after watching this show for 2 seasons, that anyone can just say-"that's it, I am out- I am not watching this ever again".

    Its just a television show- I just don't get how every show, every scene has to be perfection, or all hell breaks loose in the message board community. If you hold everything to this level of expectation, you are bound to be disappointed by everything you watch on television- I don't see how you can be satisfied with any show. Nothing can live up to that kind of scrutiny. Reading this thread sounds just like the Killing threads after last season.

    I would like to know what shows the people who moan and complain about this one watch- because to me its a very small list of shows that are better and more entertaining than this one.

    As I said, I agree 100% that this season, as a whole, was not as good as season 1, and that there were too many plot holes and things that just would not happen in real life. But this is entertainment, not a documentary.

    Yes, the show could have been even better than it is- agree 100%- but it is still an incredibly entertaining television show, one that, even with the holes, is better than 99% of the crap that is on television today.

    Again, just to be clear, I agree with some of the criticism on here- but that is not enough to make me quit the show or to not say that it is still one of the best things on television. Like getreal, I can't wait for another season, and will be watching to the end.

    Just my opinion- I am sure I'm going to be in the vast minority and get killed for these comments, but I would love to know if there is anyone else out there still entertained enough to keep watching, and enjoying, the next season.
     
  15. Hank

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    Dwells, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think it's a matter of expectations. They set up the first season to be some of the best TV in recent memory. Different, exciting, believable.

    But now they've taken that all away,and we're disappointed. We all want it to go back to the way it was. And since it's not that, it's frustrating to see all these plot holes you can drive a car[bomb] through.

    So think of it more as venting than criticizing. It's still a good show, but it moved from "you know, this could actually happen" to "eh, it's just a bunch of drama/action writing and I *really* have to suspend my disbelief to watch the show". I'm not saying it jumped the shark, but it's gone way past "believable" now, unfortunately.
     
  16. Rob Helmerichs

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    Or "Beat my suspension of disbelief into unconsciousness and lock it in the cellar."

    I'm not even sure it's a good show any more. I think it's a bad show with sensational acting. Can you imagine what this season would have been like with ordinary actors? At least I have almost a year to decide if that acting makes it worth watching.
     
  17. Hank

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    BTW, during last weeks discussion about if/when/how Brody was going away, I was wondering what they would do with the opening credits.

    Interestingly, this last episode had no opening credits at all.
     
  18. Carlucci

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    This show needs to evolve and become mostly about Saul. For me, they have utterly blown it if they think they can make Carrie into a dishonorable protaganist. Other shows have done this, and done it well. I have surprised myself for rooting for heinous characters like Vic Mackey, Dexter, and Walter White, but I have nothing but revulsion and contempt for Carrie right now, and I don't know how they could ever win me back to Carrie's side.

    Is her mission in the next season going to be to try to clear Brody's name, after all he's done that only she knows about?

    He saved her life, I get that. But crazy or not, someone as deeply affected by 9/11 as she was, would never let a terrorist go free. Brody could still be a wealth of information, and sending him to Gitmo for 3 hots and a cot while she tries to clear his name would have been a much better redemptive act on her part, if the goal of the show is to still make me care about her as a patriotic law enforcement agent.
     
  19. jehma

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    Not to mention the fact that she was complicit in the VPs murder.
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    And then there's the whole hiding the fact that you're literally insane from your employer who happens to be the CIA thing, which should be pretty much a career-stopper, not a stepping stone to Station Chief...

    I think a lot of what went wrong with the show stems from how good and unconventional the first season was. There was really no way back from a lot of things (Carrie's CIA career, Brody's terrorism), but they had to walk it back to convert it from a brilliant season into an ongoing series.

    I've never seen the original, nor do I know much about it. But I wouldn't be surprised if the first season was a pretty direct adaptation, and the second the American producers trying to find their own way.
     

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