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Homeland - 9/30/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by brebeans, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. brebeans

    brebeans Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    I don't understand how you can continually enjoy watching this show, when you find, basically, the whole premise (that a US Marine POW has been turned and brainwashed to be a terrorist for the "other side"), hard to believe or that his actions don't make sense.

    Brody is doing everything he does BECAUSE he was brainwashed/turned. Yet, he is not a totally different person. He knows he needs to pretend to be loyal to family and country yet, in reality he is no longer. Sure, he gets conflicted, but overall, he was brainwashed and now he needs to cover his tracks, lest the US find out that he is 'on the other side'. Or, even if he IS having second thoughts, what he has already done makes a damn good motive for having to continue to lie and cover his tracks.

    Of course Nazir can blackmail Brody. It doesn't matter who believes Nazir, as long as Brody believes that he can be "outed" and the resultant consequences.

    Relax and enjoy the show!
  2. tiams

    tiams New Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    Brody was not just upset about Issa being killed, he is mad at the U.S. govt for lying about the attack. I think it was the current vice-president that Brody saw denying the attack on TV. I thought that was why he wanted to kill the vice president last season.
  3. billypritchard

    billypritchard Embiggener

    May 7, 2001
    St. Louis, MO
    I thought the best scene was definitely the one in the garage. Jessica expressed the right amount of shock/outrage that would come with finding out someone you thought you knew had changed something so fundamentally about themselves and hadn't told you. Plus the added shock Muslim aspect of it of course.

    Then the moment when Brody shows that he was more concerned with the Quran than with what she was expressing. Cold stuff.

    Later when he was burying the book at first I thought it was because he realized Jess was right and he needed to hide that part of this life completely. Nope! He's really just doing what he needs to do as a good Muslim. Damian Lewis is awesome.
  4. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Brody would have to be a complete moron to think that he could be "outed" by Nazir. If a terrorist says a US Congressman is working for terrorists, virtually no one would believe it. Brody is not a moron. Therefore he cannot be blackmailed in that way.

    And as I said before, Nazir has a lot to lose if Brody tells the CIA all that he knows. Nazir would have to be a complete moron to completely alienate Brody, instead of keeping him and using him for whatever Brody would agree to do.

    The whole blackmail idea is absurd.
  5. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    It would be believable if Brody was all about assassinating the VP (and any other government official involved in Issa's death). But Brody is now participating in terrorist plots to attack US civilian targets. That is not believable unless he has been completely brainwashed. But Brody appears to be operating at a high intellectual level -- he is making intelligent choices and appears to think things through most of the time. So they want us to believe that terrorists can change a US marine so that he will help with attacks on US civilians, but otherwise leave his mind intact. That is very hard to swallow.
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Except we don't know what Nazir has. A video of Brody during his "captivity" well-kept and praying with other terrorists would be enough to ruin Brody's reputation forever. Video of conversations between them talking about how evil the Great Satan is and how it must be destroyed, of course, would do much worse.
  7. Gerryex

    Gerryex Member

    Apr 24, 2004
    Land O...
    Its a GREAT show, but this bothered me too!

    YES! Brody is not doing all these things just because of the boy's death. He also has been brainwashed over the years he was held.

    I thought exactly the same thing!

  8. billypritchard

    billypritchard Embiggener

    May 7, 2001
    St. Louis, MO
    There is also the dangling issue of the SD card with his confession on it.
  9. TAsunder

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI
    Don't worry about it. Obviously they change the safe combination as infrequently as they change their encryption keys.
  10. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Okay, that is a good point. But it does not address why Nazir would ever do that to Brody. If Brody is exposed by Nazir and has nothing to lose, then Brody may as well tell the CIA all he knows about Nazir's operation, which would be very damaging to Nazir. But if Nazir just says, okay, Brody will not help with anything that he believes could be used to attack innocent civilians, I will just use him for whatever he will agree to do. Nazir comes out much better in the latter scenario.
  11. Dawghows

    Dawghows Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2001
    Except that it seems that Brody doesn't know very much about Nazir's operation. He didn't know the operative that came to see him; he didn't know anything about what he was supposed to steal; he seems unclear (as do we) about exactly what Nazir is expecting of him. I'm not sure how much Brody can do, other than confess to the things he himself has done for Nazir.
  12. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    Jan 17, 2002
    In the season previews, somebody hands that off
  13. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Except that Brody does know quite a bit about Nazir's operation. Certainly enough that telling the CIA everything he knows would be very damaging to Nazir.
  14. Dawghows

    Dawghows Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2001
    Like what? He could give them the name and/or location of the guy who made his suicide vest. Otherwise I don't remember any instance where we've had any indication that Brody knows anything other than the orders he's given. He didn't know Walker was still alive until he saw him. As I said before, he didn't even know his own contact person. He didn't know what information Nazir wanted from Estes's office (before the contact person spelled it out). He didn't know what Nazir intended to do with the information. He doesn't know anything at all beyond the instructions he recieves, and even then he only knows his own small part.

    I'll concede that if the CIA knew Brody was working for Nazir they would interrogate the hell out of him, and rightly so. But I don't think they'd learn much more than the fact that Nazir is a threat, which they clearly already know.
  15. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    The scene in the Quaker Meeting at the school pissed me off. The teacher makes a point of admonishing the girl for language and interrupting the speakers, but she doesn't say a single thing about what the boys were spewing, even though religious freedom (for all) and non-violence are two of the cornerstones of the Quaker religion.
  16. markymark_ctown

    markymark_ctown Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2004
    so i just got around to watching episode...sucked back in for another ride :)

    how much time do you think has passed since the end of season 1 in show time?

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