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Homeland - 9/30/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by brebeans, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Evidently you do not remember the scene. You even said you did not remember it in your previous post. To refresh you memory, here are the key elements of dialog from the scene with Brody and the woman whose family has been close to Nazir since 1947.

    Clearly Nazir wants Brody to steal the encryption keys to the database of potential targets so that Nazir's terrorists can attack one or more of the targets, and Brody realizes this.

    To those who are confused about what is being stolen, I thought it was fairly clear so I will explain. The Department of Homeland Security has a list of potential targets that terrorists may attack in the US -- DHS Threat Assessment. Presumably this includes things like the value of the potential target, how vulnerable it is, and what sort of security the potential target has in place (or how that security is being increased). Obviously this information would be valuable to terrorists planning to attack US targets. Brody's comments quoted above make it clear that he knows this.

    Here is the folder that Brody got the keys from:

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  2. DLiquid

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    I'm not sure if you are being serious. I said that I didn't remember any discussion of killing innocent American boys and girls (i.e., children). I didn't remember it because it never happened, as you have just proven with your transcript of the dialog. :D
     
  3. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Yes, serious. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course it happened. Killing innocent civilians at a US target is almost certain to include boys and girls.
     
  4. DLiquid

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    I interpreted your post to mean Brody was weighing the life of "poor boy Issa" against "innocent American boys and girls," but they weren't talking about American children, and I wouldn't expect many children to be at the places on the potential targets list (I could be wrong about that, I haven't seen the list :D). You said you were finding Brody's actions less and less believable, so I responded with some reasons Brody might have agreed to break into the safe.
     
  5. john4200

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    It is a list of all potential targets of US interests that DHS believes terrorists may hit. Certainly children are highly likely to be at many of the potential targets.

    But you are really getting hung up on a minor point. Even if there were no children, there would be innocent civilian men and women killed (and many would be mothers and fathers to children). For Brody being willing to kill such people in retaliation for Issa being killed is very hard to believe.
     
  6. DLiquid

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    For me, it's enough that they showed how conflicted he was about it. He probably didn't think everyone in the bunker was evil, yet he came close to blowing them all up. Now the targets seem like they may include more innocents, so he is even more conflicted, but what was the alternative to breaking into the safe? Could he say no, and Nasir would just let him go on with his life? I don't think so. So pull on the Issa heartstrings a little, and all of a sudden he doesn't see breaking into the safe as such a bad option.

    I suspect he will struggle a lot this season about what he does or doesn't do for Nasir.
     
  7. RGM1138

    RGM1138 I wanna Rock

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    "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."

    It's pretty disconcerting that Apu's hottie 'journalist' has the combination to the Director of Counterterrorism's safe inside the CIA. :eek: How the hell did they get that?

    You'd think that the CIA has a large enough budget so that Carrie doesn't have to wear a $5 Walmart wig.
     
  8. MikeAndrews

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    It's gonna turn out that the obvious is obvious - Carrie's Arab-American CIA pal is Nassir's mole in the CIA. Note how he was the one who dragged Estes out of his office right on cue.

    Let's not mention that it may be more the FBI that has the list of internal US targets than the CIA.

    Oh. And Apu is an Indian (presumed) Hindu. Sorta the opposite of Muslim. They tend to fight each other.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    And that burgeoning look of joy on her face as she left the bazaar was pure brilliance.
     
  10. RGM1138

    RGM1138 I wanna Rock

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    Yes, I was making a joke, equating Abu with the Simpsons character, as sometimes is my wont. And noting my disdain, if you will, of Nazir.
     
  11. MikeAndrews

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    Ees OK. Jest too many bay bees.
     
  12. Regina

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    Yes, that whole scene was great-switching head scarves, cold-cocking that guy, hiding the gun, yelling "My husband needs help!" then making a run for it... I loved every second....:D and so did she! ;)
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Better yet, she didn't...clearly she was in terror and hated every moment of it...until it was over and it sank in what she had done.

    I don't see her meds schedule lasting much longer.
     
  14. john4200

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    As I said last season, that was also very hard to believe. An American marine who is upset about a boy being killed by an American bomb just does not decide that an appropriate response is to bomb a bunch of Americans. But at least those guys were mostly government people. And he still did not go through with it. But now we are to believe that Brody is going to help Nazir bomb civilian targets? It just does not make sense.

    As for Nazir blackmailing Brody, that is absurd. Who would believe Nazir? And Nazir has a lot to lose if Brody tells the CIA everything he knows.
     
  15. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Brilliant enough to name an episode after!:up:
     
  16. getreal

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    Carrie kneed that guy in the groin and he went down in pain. To have "cold-cocked" someone is to knock them unconscious. LOL! So I don't know if that was an unintended pun on your part, but I had to LOL. :up: :)
     
  17. john4200

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    How about cok-clocked? Knee-balled?
     
  18. Rob Helmerichs

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  19. Regina

    Regina I've got Jewbs!

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    It was an intended pun, since there was a gun involved...LOL :D
     
  20. jr461

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    Calling someone "obtuse" can get you 30 days in solitary! :D

    Great episode. And I don't think the "is he" or "isn't he" tension will fade much since we don't know what he will or won't do, knowing Nazir has him by the cahones. He got the list of numbers. What's next?

    I thought their method of incorporating Carrie back into the fold was clever enough and I also loved the big smile at the end!
     

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