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History of the Eagles (documentary on Showtime)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mwhip, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. mwhip

    mwhip All better

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    Man was this excellent! I was seriously not aware of all the origins and fighting. I was under the belief that it was Don and Glen that butted heads constantly and that Joe was difficult as well. That Felder was such a little baby about his place in the band, I mean I get he contributed a lot musically but like Glenn said you never knew where you would start singing on a lot of his stuff it was just instrumental. Great but instrumental. Without Glenn and Don writing the lyrics they would have been no where or at best maybe a Grateful Dead type band.

    I also forgot how funny Joe is. the story about him and Belushi trashing the hotel and painting their jeans black to get into the fancy restaurant was just hysterical.

    Very well done all the way around, oh and forgot how freaking hot Linda Rontstadt was.
     
  2. MikeAndrews

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    I haven't watched it all yet.

    Did Joe tell the story of the recording session with Henley telling him "You can do better. Work on it while we get dinner."?
     
  3. DougF

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    I watched Part 1 over the weekend. Won't get to Part 2 for a few days. I also thought it was excellent. I had heard the story about Felder and Frey taking verbal jabs at each other at that concert, but I never knew mics caught it and it was recorded.

    Looking forward to the second part. I imaging things will get a bit uglier when they get to Felder's firing.
     
  4. mwhip

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    No but they did tell the story of the manager taking Felder to dinner while Don recorded the lyrics to "heart of the matter" (I think) because Felder can't sing.
     
  5. DougF

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    It was "Victim of Love", I think.
     
  6. BrandonRe

    BrandonRe Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Must have been. Heart of the Matter is a Henley song.
     
  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I wanted to see this but don't have Showtime. The NY Times had an interview with Hendley talking about this show.

    Hopefully they will repeat it during one of the free preview weeks on DirecTV or they will put it out on DVD/BD and my library will have it.
     
  8. mwhip

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    That is what I said that I think Felder wanted to sing on "Heart of the Matter" but was terrible and Don did it while they distracted him.
     
  9. TIVO_GUY_HERE

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    I got the 2nd part, missed the 1st part
     
  10. sharkster

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    Hope it re-airs. I was thinking about this and read some reviews that it was crap. I know, I know - I should not have put that much stock in those reviews. Anyway, I love the Eagles and now I want to see it, thanks to the reviews here (in which I put MUCH more stock than something I read in magazines).
     
  11. mwhip

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    I wonder what their beef was? I would say they take Don and Glenn a little too much at their word but other than that I liked it. Wish they would have interviewed other artists more, especially Linda Ronstadt but I think she is a recluse now.
     
  12. MikeAndrews

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    The story Joe told:

    In a recording session Joe does a solo. Henley tells him "You can do better. We're going to dinner. Work on it while we're gone."

    Joe tells the engineer to keep replaying the riff he did real loud so it sounds live, and Joe goes and plays pool.

    Henley comes back. "YOU NAILED IT! I knew you could do it, Joe!":
     
  13. MikeAndrews

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    Showtime shows that the film will be available on demand. It wasn't there when I looked but I set to record future airings.
     
  14. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    Was that a knock at Grateful Dead lyrics?

    If so, clearly you have no concept of what you are talking about.
     
  15. mwhip

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    Maybe. I think the Dead are great lyricists but they are also great musicians and their songs have long interludes of just playing. That is what Don was referring to basically is that Felder is great musically but do they want to be a band of just instrumentation or do they want songs with lyrics. Very few of what Felder had was usable to make songs with lyrics out of.
     
  16. BrandonRe

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    I meant it was a Don Henley solo song released years after the Eagles broke up and prior to "Hell Freezes Over."
     
  17. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    Hmmm. Maybe I should turn that into a compliment. Robert Hunter's lyrics helped take the Dead to that next level. So few bands can blow you away on multiple levels. Musicianship, great jams, great lyrics . . .
     
  18. astrohip

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    I read it the same way... that you were referring to a great jam band, as versus an Eagles type lyrics & music band. Said as a life-long deadhead and a big fan of the Eagles.

    I recall hearing once that Jerry played pedal steel on an Eagles song. Taking It Easy maybe?

    I'm spending a week away from TVs, but recorded this and will watch upon my return. Sounds good!
     
  19. scooterboy

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    I don't have Showtime - I'll have to track this down from other sources.

    I've read a few books about the Eagles, including Felder's.

    IIRC, when the band originally formed, it was definitely an even split of profit between all members. That did not include publishing revenue however, so the more prolific songwriters (Henley and Frey) would be making more.

    As Leadon and Meisner were replaced, I believe that policy was still in place. When the Farewell 1 tour happened, Felder suspected that Henley and Frey were taking more than their share of the tour profits but couldn't verify it because he and his lawyer were denied access to the accounting records.

    Then when the last tour was being put together, Felder was informed that Henley and Frey wanted the profits split 7 ways instead of 5, with each of them getting 2/7s while the other 3 only got 1/7. He fought that and they fired him, replacing him with Henley's guitarist from his solo career.

    What I've never understood about this kind of thing is how a band member gets "fired" if that member owns an equal part of a band based on an earlier contract. I think they eventually bought him out of his stake in the band, but couldn't he have insisted that he be included in the tour, or prevented them from touring as "The Eagles" without him (similar to the "who owns the name Pink Floyd" struggle)?
     
  20. mwhip

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    Yeah how the business side works would be very interesting to know. I do know in the 70's when they split from Aslyum and Geffen they formed their own corporation to do management and such. Not sure how that is all setup and who gets what.

    Basically Glenn said in the documentary that he and Don wanted more of a share of the profits because no one else did anything in the 80's except those two. And if they would be playing their solo stuff while on an Eagles tour than they needed a larger cut.

    Funny thing is Walsh totally agreed with all that and he said "All I want to do is play music to songs Glenn and Don write". Which to me was surprising from all the things I heard about Joe.
     

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