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Help needed: fit Tivo HD into a 512G SSD

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Mark Guan, Aug 25, 2012.

  1. shwru980r

    shwru980r Active Member

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    I think I would just replace the HD XL with a regular HD, given that you've paid close to $400 for the drive. This topic has come up before and I think the consensus was that the software wasn't compatible.
     
  2. steve614

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  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The country is more noisy than the city. I always have a hard time sleeping in the country since it is so noisy.
    It's bad enough trying to sleep in a house in the country with all the noise, but camping was always the worst when I was growing up. Out there in just a tent, there was just too much noise coming from everywhere.
     
  4. shwru980r

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    Right, The OP is running the regular HD software on the HD XL. Why not just put the SSD in a regular Tivo HD and use that instead?

    If the OP is paying a monthly subscription, they can just swap the TSN on their account. If it's a lifetime subscription, they can sell the HD XL to cover the cost of a regular HD.
     
  5. lpwcomp

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    I would say that the OP should hpe that the s/w is automatically updated to the latest version for the HD XL. If written correctly, it should just use the drive configuration as is. However, I have no confidence that the s/w is correctly written nor even that the update would go smoothly.

    If the TiVo starts behaving weirdly to the point that it isn't really usable, you might try a kickstart 56 and see what happens.
     
  6. lrhorer

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    No, use tivopart to allow Linux to read and write byteswapped partition tables. Use pdisk to create the partition table. It's not difficult, but it is tedious, and if you are anything like me, you'll make a ton of mistakes. I never had to wipe an entire partition and start again, but when creating 13 or 14 partitions, I usually have to redo at least 4 or 5 of them at least 3 or 4 times. Dual windows really help a lot, and indeed are absolutely essential, if you ask me.

    Creating the partitions is easy (although as I said, tedious). Creating the file systems is a bit trickier. I know there is a mkmfs utility out there, but I do not know if it will work on a Series III. You might have to tinker with a tool like MFS_Live or Win_MFS. I recommend a trip to the support forum for those utilities, and perhaps to the "other" TiVo forum.

    That will work fine, although I suggest you increase the size of the swap partition and use mkswap for partition 8.

    Absolutely. Dd operates below the level of any file system and indeed below the level of the OS. It merely copies byte-for-byte from the source to the target. As long as the OS can tell DD at which sector to start, it does its thing without caring about how the data is organized.

    I think it has a good chance. MFS_Live and Win_MFS both support doing a truncated backup - which looses the programs, and then restoring to a smaller drive, as long as the primary MFS partitions are not larger than can fit in the free space of the SSD. As long as this is the case, transferring the TiVo data from your hard drive to the SSD should be easy. Otherwise, you may have to do some digging. Again, I would check the support forum at http://www.mfslive.org/
     
  7. lrhorer

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    The only time I ever had trouble sleeping when camping was during a sand storm in Gallup, NM, but the sound wasn't the main problem. Because of the storm, we had to sleep (or rather, try) in the cab and camper of the truck, rather than the tent, and with the truck sealed up tight, the heat was unbearable. Not only that, but despite having the doors and windows tightly shut, it still didn't keep out the dust.
     
  8. Arcady

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    I have a TiVo Premiere in my bedroom. It is more quiet than a TiVo HD. Way more quiet, to the point where I can't tell it's on or off without turning on the TV.

    A Premiere is cheaper than a 512GB SSD.
     
  9. steve614

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    My experience is the exact opposite. I tried using a Premiere in my bedroom, but it was louder than the TivoHD I have in there now.
     
  10. Mark Guan

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    Thanks everyone for the help. Unfortunately I am not able to shrink the partitions. Here is what I have tried:

    1. I use the original Tivo HD hard disk, deleted the Partition 12 - mfs application region 2 and Partition 13 - mfs media region 2 with pdisk. No good. When I tried to use WinMFS to backup/restore, it still complains that the target disk is too small.

    2. I also tried to put the original hard disk without partition 12/13 into Tivo and boot up. Everything looks fine until I tried to play some of the recordings. It crashed and showed GSOD.

    3. I tried to copy the partitions my self. The good news is I did not need to create the partitions on SSD. It turned out that Tivo HD XL and Tivo HD both have the exact same partitions. So I just did restore Tivo HD to SSD, restore Tivo HD XL to the original hard disk and use dd to copy partition 2-9 to SSD. Copying partition 1 is going to mess up the disk since it is the partition map it self. When I use the SSD to restart, Tivo was able to show the Tivo HD splash screen with the little Tivo figure. But then it went to GSOD.

    4. I then repeated step 3, plus copy partition 10 and 12 which are the application partitions. No luck. Tivo showed GSOD immediately after the "Just a few minutes more" screen.

    BTW, in all the steps, the GSOD would result a continued reboot.

    So I am currently back to running Tivo HD with my SSD. I also unplugged the fan (!). To help air circulation I have drilled 5 holes on each side of the Tivo cover close to the top.

    Finally I am able to watch my shows in family room, and my wife is able to watch her shows in bed room, and we can be at peach with each other :).

    I have not investigated mkmfs utility yet - will do so when I get time. I consider upgrade to Tivo HD XL a nice to have feature, unless Tivo forces me to do so (I will try kickstart 56 this weekend). In that case if the upgrade breaks my Tivo I might follow @shwru980r's suggestion to trade in a Tivo HD. Not sure anyone want a Tivo HD XL with 5 holes on each side though :)
     
  11. aaronwt

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    For me, hard drive wise, the sound output seems the same from the S4 and S3 models. The fan in the Premiere seems quieter than the S3 boxes. But either way I can easily hear the hard drive and/or fan from across the room from any TiVo. But it doesn't typically bother me.
     
  12. DocNo

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    If you ever do that again, instead of typing commands into a terminal type them into a text file and run 'em as a script. Much less tedious :cool:

    The only practical way I see putting an SSD in a Tivo is to do it transparently with an in-line cache. I actually finally found one - but so far it doesn't seem available out of Taiwan or Hong Kong :(

    I wish I knew someone who speaks Mandarin - I'd happily pay to have them call and see if there was any way to get one here in the US.

    And as an aside for the whole noise while sleeping thing, I use this app on my old iPhone in an iHome clock radio and really like it. Their sounds are completely random with no patterns (first of these "noise generators" where I wasn't focused more on the sound loops than sleeping), and while I initially thought the whole "brain wave" thing was complete hokum, sometimes it gets switched off and if I notice the next day more often than not I didn't sleep as well the previous night. Could be psychically psyco-sematic I guess - either way who cares if I sleep better :D
     
  13. lrhorer

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    AFAIK, pdisk does not accept input from stdin. An Expect script should work, I suppose, but writing an Expect script would be far more tedious than the interactive CLI. For that matter, I don't see that using a text editor would be that much less tedious than inputting the info into pdisk directly. Editing the table directly in pdisk is not that much different than doing so in a text editor, especially since pdisk does the offset calculations for you, which would have to be done on paper, in one's head, or using a calculator when editing a text file.

    I don't know why you say that. If the SSD has at least as much capacity as the original hard drive that came with the TiVo, it would be a piece of cake. The OP's issue is the SSD has less capacity than the original drive.
     
  14. aaronwt

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    The solution is to get a Premiere and a TiVo Mini when they are released. 512GB SSDs are not cheap.
     
  15. shwru980r

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    I think they said the mini will only work with the XL4.
     
  16. lrhorer

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    More strongly than ever, I cannot recommend a Premier, but a solution that goes completely belly up when one very frail element fails? No, thanks.

    I believe he already has the SSD, so its relative cost is irrelevant.
     

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