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Help me choose a new old TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by murgatroyd, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Well, here's the problem. NBCSN is apparently planning to run the entire figure skating competition. I can't find any schedule yet that will let me estimate how many hours that is likely to be, and I haven't had time to pull out my schedules from Worlds to make a back-of-envelope calculation.

    I don't have Windows Media Center or MythTV or anything installed already, nor do I have the hard drive space it would take to store recordings. If I were only watching, this would be really cool, but I was planning to watch-and-archive.

    But the HD Homerun does look like a fun thing to have, and I'll keep it in mind for next Christmas. Thanks.

    Edited to add: I just found the detailed schedule for the Olympic broadcasts. It looks like the live coverage of the figure skating on MSNBC will be a little over 42 hours (not counting padding for live events). There's also some stuff I need to grab on NBC itself. If you roll in all of the NBC primetime coverage, the Opening/Closing ceremonies, and the figure skating recap shows, it's around 100 hours.
     
  2. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Wait, what?

    I have a blank 2TB drive that we haven't installed in my desktop (long story; don't ask).

    Assume I got the base Roamio with the 500GB drive. Would I be able to add this to the Roamio, or would it replace the 500GB drive?

    If it's easier to upgrade the Roamio, that's a huge plus.

    I'll search the forum for upgrade threads, but pointers would be appreciated.
     
  3. jrtroo

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    You would put the new drive into the box yourself, so one drive only. Plug and play, essentially.

    If you go that route, a $99 lifetime offer on your old box would be perfect for you to be able to offset the costs.

    Good luck!
     
  4. Thom

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    It is easy to upgrade a base Roamio. Just remove the top cover (single screw in the middle of the back, flex cover slightly to help disengage plastic tabs), unscrew the drive mounting screws, unplug the drive cable, and reverse the steps to install the replacement drive. Connect all cables, including the network cable and power up. The Roamio will automatically setup the drive, including connecting home a couple of times to download software. A max size of a 3 TB drive can be used with this automatic process.

    All contents on the replacement drive will be lost.

    One tip for the base Roamio: The little rubber feet on the bottom pop off VERY easily in reaction to any sideways force. Immediately after unpacking, put a piece or two of tape on each foot to secure it to the bottom case, and leave this tape on. They are small and easy to lose, and some of them always come off during the drive replacement process.
     
  5. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Thanks! Anything I should watch out for when choosing a replacement drive? (I have no idea what the specs are on the blank 2TB that we already have in-house.
     
  6. Thom

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    Some drives are very aggressive about power saving, and park the heads far too soon and/or spin down far too soon. This drastically slows down the drives response to the first command after power saving, which can cause the TiVo to timeout and reboot. So check and see if the drive manufacturer offers a utility to turn off this power saving feature. For Western Digital drives, this utility is called WDIDLE3.

    I installed WD Green drives in four base Roamios without any subsequent problems, but I used WDIDLE3 on all four drives prior to installation.

    After installation, test the TiVo reboot process by selecting Restart within the TiVo menus, plus also test by pulling the plug. Note that the Restart function is in a different location on Roamios. If memory serves, it is located within a help menu (I think).

    EDIT: Roamio restart is located at:
    TiVo Central => Settings & Messages => Help => Restart or Reset
     
  7. terpfan1980

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    Quick thanks back to the OP (and a your welcome for the discussion/suggestion of considering the HDHomeRun).

    Seeing the discussion above about how easily a Roamio is upgraded is very useful for me since I'm considering snagging a Roamio after tax refunds happen (along with some other bonus type income that I have coming).

    I've been wanting a Roamio to pair up with some mini's so I can retire a Premiere or two and save on cable card rental fees. Learning (through this thread) that the Roamios are pretty easy to upgrade makes me (potentially) very happy. :up:
     
  8. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    We've upgraded two TiVos in the past -- both S1s. For the first, we copied the image ourselves; for the second, we did a drop-in replacement from Weaknees.

    My DH (dear husband) is not going to be happy if I float the idea of upgrading another TiVo -- keeping the cats out of the way while the upgrade takes place is going to be amusing -- but dropping in an empty drive and having all the software appear on it automagically will be much more palatable than having to order a drive or cloning one ourselves.
     
  9. replaytv

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    I think you said you have SD TVs? So do you really need HD TiVos? You can get a SD lifetime TiVo for $40 now or less on eBay or craigslist.

    I don't like the high definition TiVos, as they no longer have the option to record at the lowest SD quality. And beings how I only have SD TVs and don't plan to upgrade to HD till I win the lottery. ( I am retired with only SSI income)

    Because the newer TiVos record everything in HD it fills up my HD TiVo with shows too quick. My SD TiVos can hold much more shows at the lowest definition, which looks great on my 27" TV!
    The big advantage of newer TiVos is more tuners, that I do tend to use a lot.
     
  10. unitron

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    The S3 platform TiVos still offer the option to choose recording quality level, the catch is that it only works on analog cable channels, and I think you have to both have a cable company still supplying them and you have to not have a cable card installed so that they can't substitute the digital versions for them.
     
  11. Thom

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    I edited reply #26 above, adding the location of the Roamio restart function.
     
  12. unitron

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    What's the brand and model number?
     
  13. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Actually, if the Romio's remote is RF by default, that's a plus. Then I can use the old remote with the HD and the new remote with the Roamio and they won't get confused. I know about changing all the numbers on the IR remotes to use with mutiple TiVos, but I haven't been patient enough to make that work.

    I'm used to using two remotes because one of my S1s is a Sony and the other is a Phillips -- I know having multiple remotes drives some people batty but it's no big deal, and for some things I actually prefer it.

    On the other hand, if the new remotes can be switched to IR, that's good to know, because the old remote is getting flaky, and I was thinking about replacing it.

    Thanks!

    Sorry, I really have no idea; my husband bought it last summer to put in my XP desktop and the machine died before we could install it. He bought it from NewEgg and I haven't handled it, so I have no visual memory of what it is (no retail box, and I never saw the invoice, nor read the label on the drive).

    All I can tell you is my husband is POed at WD because two of the WD externals have crapped out on me, so it's likely to be another brand (possibly a Seagate).

    I'll post the specs later tonight, after my husband gets home and I can lay hands on it.
     
  14. terpfan1980

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    I did drop in replacements on a couple of Premieres and those really couldn't have been easier to get done, but it involved me shopping around a bit on eBay to find the less expensive (compared to Weaknees, etc.) alternatives for doing it.

    I think I did one upgrade to a DirecTV HD box (the older TiVo based boxes) and that was a bit more interesting to do (D-I-Y with downloaded scripts, etc.)

    I definitely prefer easier :D As you've said, doing it all pretty much automatically makes it far more appealing to me.

    Now if April would roll around (and hopefully leave me with some disposable income to get everything purchased with :up: )
     
  15. gonzotek

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    Just a heads up: Even when using the RF remote with the Roamio, the TiVo will still respond to an IR remote if that remote is set to the 0 address, so be sure to set the HD tivo and its remote to another one.
    http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/285
     
  16. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    And the comedy of errors continues. I asked my husband where my 2TB drive had gotten to, and he said "I don't know." :(

    Thanks. If we change the HD before the Roamio arrives, that ought to be easier than trying to change two TiVos in the same stack. I hope.
     
  17. gonzotek

    gonzotek tivo_xml developer

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    Sounds just like me and my wife :). I try to stay organized, but life conspires against me. Don't be too hard on him ;)
    Yep, otherwise you'll have to play the 'try to cover the IR window' game. The IR reception on the Roamio (plus and pro models, at least) is weaker than older TiVos -- it seems the internal placement of the parts involved is a little bit off in some units: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=508246
    There's a couple of pictures half-way down the thread. Not sure how different the base Roamio is from these, but it might be something to check on if you're opening it up anyway. I did a 3TB drive upgrade on a Plus and forget to check mine - now I have to go back in and some point and see if I can improve the reception any - I now get missed IR commands at least several times a night using a Harmony One that previously could be used flawlessly from an adjoining room with the old Premiere.
     
  18. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    The blank drive is a 2T Seagate Barracuda (Model ST20000DM001).

    Looks like I missed the window on the Best Buy deal with the gift card, but B&H also has base Romios at $149 like Amazon. And I've got the AP promo code as well.

    It may be moot, however, since the Spousal Unit is more keen on putting that drive into my W8 desktop.

    And if I do get a Roamio, it makes more sense to get a 3T drive so I can max it out.

    Edited to add: the drive was in my old computer -- we had to open the case and pull it out. No wonder I couldn't find it when I was looking for the shipping carton.

    It's still unformatted as far as we can tell. :eek:
     
  19. unitron

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    Probably better to put that drive in a computer (perhaps as a place to store what shows are copyable from the TiVo) and use a Western Digital WD20EURS or the 3TB big brother in the TiVo.
     
  20. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Yes, that had been the original plan. :eek:

    Thanks.
     

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