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Help a Premiere XL4 owner pick service: Comcast vs. Fios

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by ehsfriend, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    I've done a lot of home theater installations in my time both professionally and on the side, and 9 times out of 10 the "bad picture" that is seen is either because the wrong video connection is used, ie coax or composite or s video instead of component or HDMI, or because the picture settings are all screwed up and not set correctly, and I mean set with an HD video calibration disc, not "eyeballed"

    After I finish, the picture looks amazing to both the customer and myself, and in fact the customer who was considering replacing their HDTV because of the poor image quality decided NOT to and I got one nice tip. :cool:
     
  2. Bigg

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    AFAIK, they triple channel nationally and satellite link an identical picture to all of their systems.

    Compared to Comcast, it is a fact that FIOS has a better picture. FIOS doesn't re-compress, while Comcast is triple-channeling. Not sure how TWC does it, but there is no debate with Comcast. You can prove it with side by sides, you can prove it with files of the same show recorded off of FIOS that will be quite a bit bigger than from Comcast, etc, etc.

    Yeah, I plan on moving up to the Boston area eventually, and FIOS will be an absolute must when house-hunting.

    That has nothing to do with anything here. You might be able to hide some of the poor quality of Comcast's over-compression, although a well calibrated HT setup will likely make it worse, but you're fundamentally starting with a poorer picture, so you can never get it back up to the level that you would have if you had the higher quality picture in the first place.

    Also, in terms of VOD, VOD is pretty useless if you use a TiVo the way it's intended to be used, and record everything and then have it stored locally, ready to watch.
     
  3. JWhites

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    I'm just pointing out that sometimes a legitimately high quality picture can be messed up with a cruddy setup, regardless if it's Comcast, FiOS, or even Blu-ray. For example, if you're using a 1980's tv console (and yes I've been to customers homes who ARE using these still), or a poorly calibrated HDTV, both are gonna display a picture worse then in reality the signal actually is. I'm not disagreeing with you that bad picture in equals bad picture out, just adding that good picture in can also equal bad picture out in some cases.
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Yes I've fixed several setups, at friends places, from Comcast and FiOS where they used the wrong connections when they set things up.

    For my personal setups, I use an X-Rite Display 3 PRO Colorimeter, with Chromapure software, to calibrate.
     
  5. JWhites

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  7. Bigg

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    Comcast is NOT a high-quality source, nor a good picture. FIOS is FAR better, although it's still not quite at the level of VUDU HDX/Blu-Ray.
     
  8. compnurd

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    Again.. Comcast in other markets like Philly and I think Chicago... the picture is on par with Fios.... they may suck where you are... but they do compete with verizon
     
  9. Bigg

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    They run the same triple-channeled feeds nationally, and while they are very sharp, they have serious macro-blocking and artifcating issues.
     
  10. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    Ok we can agree to disagree then. people on DSLreports in philly that switch back and forth see no difference
     
  11. mike cip

    mike cip New Member

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    I'm back to comcast from fios. Won't switch again to fios. 2 tivos on moca and kids love the on demand free tv shows and movies. We never pay per view but missed the on demand and service that comcast provides. Picture is just as good as fios. Internet is faster on comcast, and comcast costs less than fios with top tier premium channels included. Plus like having local comcast office if a cable card goes out.
     
  12. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Definitely dependent on area, because I don't see this with Comcast here. There are certain channels subject to this (NBC and NBCSN, mainly) but I think the source is at fault here, not Comcast, because you see the same effects with NBC OTA. Comcast pic quality is excellent in my area.
     
  13. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    I have to agree with slowbiscuit here. Bad source always gives a bad experience.
     
  14. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    That's not objective evidence. I'd like to see file size comparisons off the two services.

    50/10 != 75/35.
     

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