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HDUI Wishlist screens issues

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by moyekj, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. christheman

    christheman New Member

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    Yuck. Sounds like they did a ground-up rebuild to create the HD interface, with a new cast of characters playing "programmer." People who were not aware of or didn't appreciate the finer nuances that the SD UI had or was capable of. Bummer. I think I will be sticking with my Premiere and its SD menus for a while longer.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The Premiere will likely get the same update as part of the Fall software release, which is likely to start rolling out in the next month or so. So unless you're willing to revert back to the complete SDUI you're going to lose them soon as well.
     
  3. christheman

    christheman New Member

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    Hi Dan, for me I am fine living in SD land with my Premiere. If I have the freedom to choose between additional features I most likely won't use and a slow buggy interface, versus tried and true functionality but a boring interface, I will opt for the boring interface every single time.
    :D
    Regards
    Chris
     
  4. backspaces

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    I believe I observer this rather serious problem with the interaction between season pass and wishlist on a Roamio I'm just setting up:

    1 - I have a season pass for Sunday night football (Nicely transferred from HD to Roamio via TiVo)
    2 - I built a general WL for NFL keyword with Football sports category.
    3 - I deleted the WL due to its autostarting a massive amount of recordings I didn't want.
    4 - I believe this caused the SP (which may have been running) to be deleted or to stop recording .. I don't recall the exact details but it caused the game to not be recorded. Thankfully the HD dutifully recorded the game so no harm.

    So the question is: has anyone seen questionable interaction between WL and SP?

    -- Owen
     
  5. backspaces

    backspaces New Member

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    One other question: When a WL is created, it does not appear to include a HD option. But when a WL is completed, there is an area in the HDUI that includes options like HD only, first runs, etc .. SP-like options. But I can't seem to navigate to that area .. its in the top-right part of the view.

    Is there a way to limit WL to only show HD options? I've made the mistake in the past of recording the SD version and would prefer the option to be part of the WL.

    Well at least if I can make WL useable at all! It'd be nice to have a Users Guide .. is there one? Well, there is http://goo.gl/5MgEzN, I'll check that. The TiVo WL page: http://goo.gl/evL4zf wasn't all that helpful.

    Thanks for the help,

    -- Owen
     
  6. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    Remove SD channels from your channel lineup.
     
  7. bobfrank

    bobfrank Member

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    I have to disagree with you about this, Dan. While a lot of people may use wish lists to auto record, I believe that a lot don't want to auto record very often if at all. I know I don't.

    I set up wish lists for a specific actor I want to see. But, I don't want to automatically record every movie and TV show the actor is in. I have already seen most of them. So, I want to pick and choose.

    The Olympics are coming so I'll have an Olympics wish list, but I don't want to record all the shows that might have Olympics in the title or description. Many of them are talk shows or replays of prior years.

    But we agree that it needs to be made optional and easier to access.
     
  8. backspaces

    backspaces New Member

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    I totally agree! And I *am* trying hard not to be grumpy about the new HDUI simply because it is different. But WLs are now dangerously badly designed. Absolutely needs to be a default to not auto-record.
     
  9. backspaces

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    Good idea. Is there an easy way to do this? The Channel List does not include HD/SD info. Maybe an option somewhere? Or a "search"?

    I suppose I can manually remove the SD channels via scrolling thru the channels less than a certain number? I think all the higher channel numbers are HD?

    Or is there a list somewhere on my cable provider?

    Thanks!
     
  10. cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Active Member

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    You can remove channels when viewing the guide. Pull it up, sort it alphabetically, delete SD channels.
     
  11. tivogurl

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    I just used my cableco's list. They make it easy by making HD channels +1000 i.e. channel 79 = SD, channel 1079 = HD.
     
  12. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Rather than wait for TiVo to fix these HDUI Wishlist issues (which may never happen) I've got an implementation in kmttg (will be in next release) which mimics the TiVo functionality. You can setup simple or complex wishlists with boolean operators and save/recall them. You can view upcoming recording matches and choose to record, setup season pass, etc all through kmttg. This also makes the wishlists portable since they no longer reside on any one TiVo. It also allows for additional functionality such as limiting wishlist matches to specified list of channels only.
    I'll have auto record wishlists on my TiVos and setup all non-auto record types on kmttg instead.
     
  13. Number528

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    Awesome. This has always been a weak spot in Tivoland, even before the latest changes.

    Thanks!
     
  14. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    I was playing with HDUI Wishlists briefly yesterday and unless I'm missing something obvious it's not even possible to setup advanced wishlists with boolean logic anymore. I still can't believe how badly TiVo crippled the wishlist interface.

    In any case, I just released a new version of kmttg with several improvements to Advanced Search dialog which matches the old advanced wishlists capabilities. You can also for example search for a category such as "Movies", restrict to a certain year and restrict to a minimum star rating. i.e. Basically an attempt to fill missing wishlist capabilities of the TiVo UI.
     
  15. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    As to your first point, unless I'm confused, the boolean logic is still available. I have ARWL with several "+" and "-" qualifiers, plus titles. If you could specify what you are missing, I can comment further.

    Your 2nd point sounds great. I don't use kmttg, but with each passing day the UMF strikes deeper. :)
     
  16. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Just trying it now on a Roamio Pro:
    * Clicked on "Create a new WishList Search"
    * Scrolled to and selected Keyword
    * Presented with a keyboard to add some text. There's no mention anywhere of using "+" and "-" or adding brackets around text to make it optional, and I don't see how to add "+" character or brackets. Pressing Thumbs Up/Down simply changes to upper/lower case letters on the virtual keyboard.

    Maybe it's a case of RTFM but it doesn't seem obvious to me how to add boolean logic using the current HDUI Wishlists on a Roamio. Please tell me how you did it?

    EDIT: Well now I did RTFM - page 25 of the user guide below for Roamio talks about creating wishlists, and there's nothing about how to create advanced wishlists, so indeed looks like they took all that away from the UI:
    http://assets.tivo.com/assets/resources/HowTo/RoamioSeries_VG_19AUG2013.pdf

    NOTE: I can still create advanced wishlists on the Roamio via kmttg, but it doesn't seem possible with the TiVo UI anymore, so somebody at TiVo decided advanced wishlists were not worth supporting/providing anymore. Given the seemingly lack of complaints by most TiVo Roamio users apparently not many use them.
     
  17. Devx

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    That's odd considering you discovered advanced wishlists are still supported. It seems a decision was made to simplify the UI or revisit it later, hopefully before the end of the Roamio product lifecycle.

    Only Tivo has the full data, but wishlists are an advanced feature, some of which can be accomplished by alternate methods. I'm not a betting person, but if I were, I would bet some are using those alternate methods instead and using only the most basic wishlist functionality, assuming they are even aware the functionality exists.
     
  18. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Create the txt or phrase. Arrow over to the right and save it (Save and Add Another will save a step). Now the txt you added is listed below the menu choices (lower right of screen). Each time you add something, it gets added to the list on the lower right.

    Now Arrow to one of the phrases listed, and THEN hit the Thumbs.

    One change from previous software is before you hit Thumbs Up to cycle thru the Boolean choices. Now T-Up makes it optional, T-Down makes it anti-optional (what's the word for this?)

    You can do this for each area where multiple choices are allowed. For example, you can do it for actors or keywords, but not Categories, where only one is allowed.

    And the manual doesn't mention this AT ALL.:eek::thumbsdown:
     
  19. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. Thanks! Pretty well hidden functionality I must say, but glad to see it still present.
     
  20. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    FYI, thankfully 20.3.7 software release fixed this bug.
     

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