OK so we will have to lease it... how is that going to effect people that hack the tivo box to enable features that have been turned off. Most noteably is the ethernet port and the ability to access stored programming on the HD so you can drag the video off of the Tivo and play on a laptop/ computer whatever.... We have the 10-250 HD Tivo and I know there are plenty of hacks that let you do this. We never did it because it wasn't worth the trouble. If we don't own the boxes then they could come and swap out the box any time they wanted. (they may even have the right to fine you for messing with their hardware) Thus I hope there is a way to just buy the box through someone at some "full" price allowing you to mess with the software to a certain degree. Personally I would just say this: If DirecTV just made a cable card adapter so a Windows Media Center PC could become the DVR for HD SAT content I think the Tivio might go the way of the dodo. I would just set up 2 to 4 Media Center "servers" and start recording all the content that my viewer would want... then archive everything on huge data stores... purging when we get over 20-40 TB the oldest/least desired content. Allowing realtime streaming of "live" programming for x number of users and your done. This would also be the cheaper method for bars to show programming accross multiple TV's. and far simpler. (maybe not cheap for the ave home user but cheaper then what places like BW3's does now) But as it seems there is no option for Cable Cards for DirecTV (would call em' something diffrent I guess if they did) We have no idea when a new DirecTV unit with Tivio will ship, we only can assume we can't buy it, and we have no idea but assume adv features will be crippled on the units. Slingbox is trying to get time-shifting built right into the boxes for DISH network (some may already have the feature) and they are trying to really get it going.... It's a very nice function if you have good internet connections. I doubt we can expect something similar from DirecTV. I'm more than fed up with DirecTV. We don't want to switch to cable. Plus we don't a crap DVR. If it's not a Tivio it's most likely crap.