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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.
When I called a few weeks ago, I was told that there was "no information" on Tivo availability.
which is the only accurate/truthful statement a level 1 tsr can give you, doubt everything else concerning when and how much when speaking to them.
Especially when the Tivo CEO is saying nothing more specific then "later in 2010", what kind of specific dates or info do people expect from a CSR barely making minumum wage and will be burnt out and off to another job in less then 6 months? I think people expect waaaaaay to much from CSRs in companies these days. You will get *accurate* and timely information on forums like this and DBSTalk well before CSRs have the information in hand.
I'm really discouraged with the DTV HD Tivo delay. I just bought my first HDTV and am ready to upgrade from my DSR6000, but don't want the crap DTV DVR. SDTV looks really crappy on my nice new TV.
I know as soon as I order the new HD Tivo will come out the next month and I'll be stuck in a 2yr contract. I think I will at least wait for the HR24 DTV DVR because it should be out very soon.
I love Tivo and prefer to support the originators, not imitators, of revolutionary ideas.
bottom line is and will always be until it is in pipleline in quantity and in use by more then a few people any speculation or "unsurpased informtion" is nothing but blue smoke and mirrors.
ok, so how does the DirecTV contract work with equipment?
if i sign up as a new customer and lease from Directv, do i get a choice of equipment? or do i just get whatever equipment the guy has in his truck that will do what i signed up for?
if i lease equipment, and i get, say, an HR23, and then later a new DTV Tivo device comes out, is there any way to upgrade to that DTV Tivo device under the lease terms?
i realize anything regarding this phantom new DTV HD Tivo is conjecture at this point, but, how did it work with the previous DTV Tivo units, and, for that matter, successive equipment upgrades from DTV itself?
1. You get what is on the truck, no matter what the CSR promises you.
2. Whether an upgrade will be possible is unknown. Most likely it will be treated as a new box triggering a new 2-year commitment and a new "lease upgrade" fee.
yeah, ok, that makes sense (from a DTV point of view anyway).
when they came out with the old DTV Tivo, could you just buy it and move your service onto it?
Probably. And probably reup your 2 year commitment from that date.
(You said buy. Although you can buy DirecTV boxes, that is quite pricey. Typically you are actually paying up front on a lease, even when you walk into Costco or Best Buy.)
The only way to control what box you get unless you are in an MRV test area and therefore get the HR24, is to "buy" one from a third party that is affiliated with DirecTV such as Costco or Best Buy.
Well we have an OFfice package with several units. 3 of the older HD tivo's and DirecTV is pestering us to replace the units with their mpeg-4 units...
Replace the dishes and the units for free. I told them no. I want the HD Tivo unit that should have been out last year.
Or I would accept DirecTV cable Cards if they would come out with that.
So far nothing.
Our installer for the Chicagoland area claims they spoke to DirecTV upper management and there are no plans to release Tivio units any time in the near future.
Well what they say is true. There is no date for any new unit, only "later this year" from the Tivo CEO. Obviously DirecTV can't give you a release date when Tivo themselves don't even know.
there is a HR2X that can be purchased outright - theHR21-Pro, last time I looked the sale price was right arounf 499.00, adding this box will not trigger a commitment - although you may have to get to the access card department to get it straightened out, it seems no tier 1 csr can add a unit without triggering the commitment.
Keep in mind you will probably have to pay for a dish and installation if you go the HR21-Pro route
so how do the directv "buy" options from DVRupgrade and weaknees (both sponsors of this site, above) work? what kind of relationship are you getting into with directv using one of those options? do you own whatever box you "buy"?
obviously they don't have the new directv hd tivo for sale, but if/when they do, would it be possible to then "buy" the directv hd tivo unit and move service to it? (triggering a new lease shouldn't be an issue, presumably if you buy a directv hd tivo unit, you're planning on sticking with directv).
Tivo has a contract with Directv and I can guarantee you it doesnt say "whenever" and I can guarantee you they both know the date.
Come on now, be real. It's already been delayed twice so whatever "date" is in the contract has already been passed twice. And of course whatever date is in the contract isn't going to be shared to the public.
Not sure why you'd want to actually buy it. You end up paying less by leasing even with the commitment.
Lease - Pay $99 for upgrade (many get it free). Early termination fee is $20 per month left on the 24 month commitment.
Buy/Own - $499.
Both charge the same $4.99 monthly fee if it's not your only receiver, if it is your only receiver then there is no monthly fee for either.
So let's say you stay with DirecTV at least 6 more months (why would you quit it right away?) your ETF would be $360. So couple that with your up front you're at $460. I guess you could eBay the owned receiver and you might get $40-50 for it. So the cost end up being about the same. Every month you stay over and above 6 months you save money by leasing over owning.
I never have understood the big deal people make about the commitment or trying to actually own it. Unless you leave the very next month it's almost always cheaper to actually lease. Plus if you lease and it breaks they will replace it at their cost. If you own and it breaks you're SOL, you will pay for a replacement.
Only reason I can see to not be in a commitment is if you're one that "chases the deal" every year and switches providers. If that's the case good luck finding one that doesn't make you commit to something for the new sub deals, heck even FIOS and many cable companies put you 1-2 year commitments now for the best deals. Charter around here puts you in a 2 yr commitment to get their triple play pack deal.
Choice is yours, there is no "right" answer.
i guess i'm trying to do a couple of things, but my understanding of the basic situation may be incorrect. i'm trying to:
1. "own" a directv tivo hd outright (when it appears), and not lease the physical unit.
2. "own" the tivo service on that tivo, and not have to pay monthly for that service.
3. pay only the monthly fee for the directv *programming* (and maybe the dish fee, though that one is maybe debatable too.)
i have no idea how directv and tivo would work out their arrangement though, and what fees would be wrapped up in whatever other fees. i just know that i've gotten tremendous mileage and value out of my series *one* tivo with lifetime service over the past 9 years. i'd like to see if i can replicate that with HD and directv.
1. New unit will be available for lease only.
2. You will be paying monthly sub fees to DirecTV. Lifetime option will not be available.
3. You will be paying for programming, HD fees, additional receiver fees and whatever additional fees DirecTV will charge for TiVo.
any educated guesses out there as to $ amount for premiums that will be associated with the new dtv tivo hd?
Nobody knows and there have been no hints. Many think it might be in the $3-$5 a month range but who knows, could be 2 bucks, could be 10.
But it's no different then a stand alone Tivo, you *will* be paying a monthly fee no matter what. Only difference is no lifetime option. With this new box Tivo feels that people will pay more for it and DirecTV is happy to pass that extra cost on.
But counting on anything is really setting yourself up for disappointment. Right now the new DirecTivo doesn't exist, it's basically vaporware that has been delayed twice already. It's getting to the point it will be surprising to see it out by the end of the year. So I personally wouldn't make any decisions on the hope this box comes out this year, if ever.