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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Jan 6, 2007 #1281 of 1440
    kenferm

    kenferm New Member

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    Am I missing something or does it seem that right now, there's no great way to do this. I just checked out the Direct TV site and over there, they are all upset w/ the Direct TV HD DVR box (HR20 700) and apparently even CNET has written to DIrect TV because of all of the customer complaints on their site about that box. But Tivo is limited in its abilities with Direct TV because they don't do business anymore and effectively, if you buy the HR 250 unit, its a ticking time bomb because ultimately, you won't be able to get the HD Local channels when they switch to MPEG 4?

    Am I getting this right? All I want is the great software of Tivo in HD for all HD channels through Direct TV, is that too much to ask for?
     
  2. Jan 6, 2007 #1282 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Sooner or later NYC locals will probably move to be MPEG4/Ka-band only, and that'll require one of the newer receivers and a 5-LNB dish. But as to exactly when that'll happen...

    a) Not until both national-footprint Ka-band satellites are launched in mid- and late-2007 and become operational.

    b) Not until DirecTV has had a chance to inform all those who receive the NYC local HD channels they're going away and need new equipment and have the opportunity to get such new equipment and have it installed.

    They'll probably be around at least through a good portion of 2008.

    But no matter what, the HR10-250 can record local HD channels via antenna, too. So as long as it stays an active receiver on your DirecTV account, you'll always be able to record local HD channels that way since they're unaffected by DirecTV moving to MPEG4. So if you can receive your locals via antenna, the HR10-250 is, at worst, always going to be able to record your local HD and all the DirecTV SD (and HD) channels available via Ku-band in MPEG2.

    Finally, when (and if) the time comes where you need something in MPEG4/Ka-band, you'll probably still be able to get a mostly free replacement DVR from DirecTV, or you could just add a DirecTV receiver to your account that can record those channels. You don't have to give up your HR10-250, you can just supplement it. :)
     
  3. Jan 6, 2007 #1283 of 1440
    kenferm

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    Regarding the antenna that you refer to, while I know this isn't the antenna forum, can you suggest a model for this? Is this an antenna I would put on the roof next to the dish itself??
     
  4. Jan 6, 2007 #1284 of 1440
    dswallow

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    If you can put one out by the dish, I'd suggest the Winegard SquareShooter. If you want to try one inside first, find a Zenith Silver Sensor.

    Outside is always better than inside. But at only 25 miles from NYC, unless you're in some deep valley and line-of-sight to the Empire State Building is blocked by a massive amount of earth and rock, you should do pretty well with either.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2007 #1285 of 1440
    Aragorn

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    Unit went down hard last night, only thing I got for days is Direct TV logo and said installing nothing happen. Then I got the grey screen said starting up nothing... Most likely hard drive failure. Fixed the Hard Drive with some Utilities, so now I can use that via a external drive now for my computers. My question is where can I find the software to re-install on to this hard drive? I have used Weeknees and PTV Upgrades, but there 200 plus bucks, and now I just saw the 250's going for $250 at CompUSA... The good news is Direct TV is sending me there newest DVR but there goes Tivo :(
     
  6. Jan 6, 2007 #1286 of 1440
    stahta01

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    I would suggest posting in the upgrade forum.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=25
    Also, for twenty you can try instantcake.
    I have not used instantcake so no idea if it is a good value or not.
    Tim S
    http://www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/stores/1/instantcake.cfm
     
  7. Jan 7, 2007 #1287 of 1440
    nidan69

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    I had planned to switch my DirecTV service to HD in the near future and have been looking for some HD DirecTiVos (used or new) to buy. Reading this, I am however beginning to think that it may be a waste of my money if DirecTV switches their format to MPEG4. Being that the Series 3 Standalone HD TiVo is not compatible with DirecTV, what other options does one have (I don't want to switch to the DirecTV DVR)? Any ideas anybody?
     
  8. Jan 7, 2007 #1288 of 1440
    Arcady

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  9. Jan 7, 2007 #1289 of 1440
    nidan69

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    I thought about that, but I would need to buy several stand alone TiVo's and that could become very pricy to say the least. Any word if TiVo has any plans for satellite users?
     
  10. Jan 7, 2007 #1290 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Without the cooperation of the satellite provider, there's nothing TiVo or any other third party really can do with satellite signals.

    Figure you've got a year or two of the current MPEG2 HD channels on DirecTV remaining around, at least. After that, your HR10-250 doesn't become useless/worthless, it'll just not be able to record the MPEG4 material; it'll still get all the MPEG2 material, including all over the air digital/HD stations you can receive by antenna, and all the DirecTV SD/Ku-band programming. Everyone's viewing habits are, of course, different, but excluding theatrical movies, it seems to me that for the average viewer, there's more HD over-the-air than via cable channels. There's nothing wrong with the idea of using the HR10-250 with DirecTV for the forseeable future and supplementing it with one HR20 for the MPEG4 material.

    The TiVo Series 3 unit is the most flexible right now -- but limited to cable and over the air digital channels, not satellite. However there's at least the ability to use it most anywhere in the country since most areas are served by cable companies offering CableCard service. It's a shame the FCC hasn't seen fit to mandate the satellite companies also develop a way that third parties can create products around their video services. Maybe one day.

    Don't worry too much about the future beyond a year or so -- you'll never feel safe making a decision -- things can change rather rapidly. And frankly I think the only real answer to your question is that you need to seriously look at cable now, because at least as things look now, that's about the only way you'll get the services/features that you want.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2007 #1291 of 1440
    Rottluver

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    Just out of curiousity, how do you tell if you have a 3LNB dish or a ??????

    I just got a smokin deal on a brand new HR10-250 and I am curious if I can hook it up & make it work before I get my HD TV (currently on order)
     
  12. Feb 2, 2007 #1292 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Just look at the dish. If it's got 3 separate "cones" on the end of the arm pointed at the dish, it's the 3-LNB dish.

    No matter what, you can certainly hook up your HR10-250 to whatever dish you have now. You just won't receive some of the HD channels if you only have a single LNB dish until such time as you replace the dish.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2007 #1293 of 1440
    Rottluver

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    Thanks. :cool:
     
  14. Feb 5, 2007 #1294 of 1440
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    I had a couple of questions about your equipment. I have a HR10-250 (which I really like - avoiding the term LOVE) and have it connected to an OTA antenna. I get great reception from local network HD channels. I am about to get a HR20-700 and want to know if I will be able to get HD local channels the same way my HR10 has. Also, and I don't know if you would know this but it is worth the try, I have Vonage and want to find out how compatible it is to hook it to the HR20, any ideas, suggestions, comments?

    Sincerely,

    Yonel
     
  15. wpafan

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    you wont be able to use an off air antenna with the HR20 yet. the ATSC tuners are not active.. theres supposed to be a software upgrade later this year to activate them.
     
  16. dswallow

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    That happened in the beginning of December 2006.
     
  17. hkprakash7

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    How would it be possible to measure the cross-polarization level for the DirecTV signals??? DirecTV claims that the cross-polarization level is -30 dB. Using a spectrum analyzer would it be possible to measure the level?
     
  18. dswallow

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    Why would this be of any importance to you relative to receiving DirecTV? It's not something you can control and is related to the analog signal before demodulating the digital signal and decoding the content.
     
  19. hkprakash7

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    well Its a part of my project. Hence I'm doing it!!! I know that its not of something which we can control. I've been asked to verify it.
     
  20. dealsmith

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    Sorry to be a new forum member and not clear as to where to ask a question. This seems close but if I am off track, let me know. I also admit to being "techno-limited"

    I have DTV with the HR10-250 at my home in California in order to have HDTV with TIVO. I have a remote vacation home where I used to be able to receive DTV signals but not now. DTVs relatively new satellite and focusing technology has eliminated all but a handful of channels. I have a Series 2 Tivo at the vacation home and it is connected to the internet. I know it will not handle HD but that is not a big problem. I am looking for guidance as to whether I could somehow use a Slingbox in California, then download its content to the Tivo at the vacation home. I have cable modem service at home and dsl at the vacation home. I know I could use a PC at the vacation home to watch the slingbox content but the idea of a 17" screen is not that exciting.

    Any help someone can offer will be appreciated.
     

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