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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    Side note for those not in the know: only the big 4 are mpeg4 on directv. If you want pbs, cw upn wb or whatever the local channel of the week is, sorry. Out of luck.

    Yes some people will watch CW! :)
     
  2. slocko

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    good point. if you are a Smallville fan or Everybody Hates Chris fan, you have no choice but OTA.
     
  3. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

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    And you only get the main subchannel of the affiliates of the big 4.

    Yes, that will be the main HD channel, but in many markets there is pretty good stuff on the other subchannels, and you'll only be able to see it with an antenna.


    phox
     
  4. newsposter

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    also dont forget super nbc weather megs doppler storm tracker chaser !
     
  5. joetoronto

    joetoronto HR10-250 Lover

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    lol, this reminds me of an "NBC weather plus" station from rochester on sub channel 2-2 that i get OTA.

    i've never seen such a fanatical weather forecast. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Jun 1, 2006 #1226 of 1440
    cheer

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    A lot of the subchannels are, well, a waste...but some are not. And some are truly unique.

    For example, I am told that the Champaign IL Fox affiliate, during NFL games, uses a subchannel to broadcast the game in HD...with no announcers, just stadium audio/noise.

    Sure wish my Fox affiliate did that! What a unique way to watch a game -- no prattle!
     
  7. Jun 1, 2006 #1227 of 1440
    baatz

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    Never having had the "luxury" of OTA reception --- I didn't even realize there were such things as multiple subchannels from a station with varying content...

    Until now... :eek:

    Sounds cool. No jibber jabber? Wow... Almost makes me want to move to Champaign. Or maybe drink a lot of champagne to forget that I don't have a feed like that. :D
     
  8. Jun 1, 2006 #1228 of 1440
    Anubys

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    wow...I would KILL for that...put a lot of microphones aimed at the field and just give me the sounds of the game...I can't stand announcers. They are totally useless and detract from the game...
     
  9. Jun 1, 2006 #1229 of 1440
    Rottluver

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    I rather enjoy listening to them make giant asses of themselves about every other call.........and they are occasionaly useful when I miss something important. :D
     
  10. Jun 1, 2006 #1230 of 1440
    joetoronto

    joetoronto HR10-250 Lover

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    this reminds me of the old C-band days. i remember getting "backhauls" with no commercials, announcers, nothing.

    the best though was when there WAS announcers but no commercials, they would say they were going to commercial but they never did, the affiliates would put their local commercials in these spots. they used to talk about all kinds of schit because they weren't "on the air".

    once, harry neale said during a hockey game of the late bill goldsworthy "he's on the other side of the grass now" and they both started laughing bigtime. :D
     
  11. Jun 1, 2006 #1231 of 1440
    cheer

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    Some is useless. Many channels have a non-HD digital feed of their HD programming. In Chicago, the local ABC affiliate used to run ABC News Now on a subchannel. Several do the silly weather thing (weather maps/forecasts 24 x 7).

    PBS here actually has the national PBS feed on it's "main" HD channel, and a feed of the local programming on a second and PBS Create on the third. One local channel has, like, six subchannels. Again, a lot of chaff, but occasionally one finds some wheat.

    I strongly recommend you give OTA reception a try. Depending on where you live, you might just need rabbit ears or a decent indoor antenna.
    That is, without a doubt, the most brilliant programming decision I've ever seen. Frankly, I'd pay a monthly subscription fee to get sports broadcasts sans announcers.
     
  12. Jun 2, 2006 #1232 of 1440
    newsposter

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    So they dont still have that today? I had a house with C bad in the early 90s. Was wild watching the war stuff live. I had no idea that tv people swore so much off the air either. I'd catch the feeds from the news vans etc. Boy do they put on their smiley faces though when the red light goes on. I think people's image would be shattered if we ever / still got live feeds such as this.
     
  13. Jun 2, 2006 #1233 of 1440
    joetoronto

    joetoronto HR10-250 Lover

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    i don't know, newsposter. i haven't had C-band in about 10 years now so i'm out of the loop but that "black board" was really cool. :D

    nothing like an "open sky". ;)
     
  14. Jun 4, 2006 #1234 of 1440
    timc01

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    I picked up bits on various posts - but would be grateful for all the correct answers:

    Currently Cablevision (Westchester, NY), Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD DVR - hate it. Want to move back to a Tivo Box.

    If I get the HR10-250 will I always be able to keep Tivo or will D* dump it in this box also?

    Can I get HD locals here? Or will I need an antenna?

    Thanks
     
  15. Jun 4, 2006 #1235 of 1440
    cheer

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    Right now the only Tivo HD DVR is the HR10-250. That requires D* service.

    Sooner or later, D* will stop selling it. Support may last for quite some time, but you will not be able to get HD locals via D* -- you'll have to use an antenna.

    Alternatively you can wait for the S3, which hopefully will be out later this year, and use it with your cable.
     
  16. Jul 4, 2006 #1236 of 1440
    Steve O

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    I'm trying to get my HR10-250 integrated into my Harmony/Logitech H659 controlled system. If I read this thread correctly, at least a couple of years ago, there was no discrete codes to go to specific output formats. Is that still true? The reason I ask is that I want to set up two "activities" for the HD TiVo... one that shows HD. The other that switches everything to 480i. The reason I want to do that is because I have it wired to an RF modulator to send the signal via coax to other parts of the house. I don't want to toggle between 720p and 480i. I just want it to be able to set the output correctly based on the activity. Same is true for the "aspect" setting. Can it be set, not toggled?

    Thanks,
    Steve
     
  17. Jul 4, 2006 #1237 of 1440
    wmccain

    wmccain Custom AV Consultant

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    Alas!

    No discrete commands for formats, no native format mode, and no S-video or composite output at low-res concurrent with high-def on the component and HDMI outputs. All these omissions add up to the fact that it is impossible to control the HR10-250 intelligently with a control system such as yours (or such as mine, which is AMX).

    No discrete commands for the aspect ("ratio") settings, either. (However, there is a "dodge" that works pretty well, since most high-def sets have decent aspect controls of their own. Tell the HR10-250 that the aspect ratio of your TV set is 4:3, even if the actual sets are a mixture of both 4:3 and 16:9. The HR10-250's aspect control works exactly the same on the high-res formats, output via component and HDMI, regardless of the "setup setting" of "TV aspect ratio". But setting the TV aspect ratio to 4:3 makes the "ratio" toggle work better when the format is changed to low-res and the S-video and/or composite outputs are being used, as for your RF modulator.)

    The lack of decent format control has gotten me to seriously consider opening the box and tapping the drive voltages on the front panel's format LEDs. Then, using those voltages as input to a set of status ports on an AMX controller, one could programmatically determine what actual format mode the box is in when you send the "format toggle" command ...

    But most likely I will just wait for the HR20-250. Although it is not a TiVo box, it is known that the HR20-250 will support direct control via an RS232 port (using the same command set that has historically been supported by DirecTV receivers, which includes discrete format codes). It is also likely that the HR20-250 will support concurrent low-res/high-res output, and a native format mode (since the current crop of non-DVR high-def DirecTV receivers, such as the LG LSS-3200A, do support those features).
     
  18. Jul 6, 2006 #1238 of 1440
    rhudson19187

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    The remote that came with my DirecTV HD DVR has both a button that controls ratio and also you can program the up arrow to change formats. The programming is done using the menu for settings and then select "remote control".
     
  19. Jul 6, 2006 #1239 of 1440
    HiHoStevo

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    I would like to pose a question for the "remote" guru's......

    I have been using Tivo for about a year and a half now... but have been to busy with "life" to really get into them any deeper than figuring out how to do the 30 second skip, & turn on the TV and audio receiver with the single green button on the Tivo remote..., which interestingly enough seemed to work fine on my 80gig SD-Tivo's, but does not seem to work on the remotes for my HD-Tivo (is there something different here)?

    To whit... I had an SD-Tivo set up
    with my wife's JVC television and Denon audio receiver running the
    sound output. When I programmed the remote I went through the menu to
    setup the TV and the Receiver and from then on when I pushed the green
    button (with the switch in the satellite position) both the TV and the
    Denon would power up (great)! However, I just upgraded my wife's Tivo
    to the HR 10-250 in preparation for upgrading her TV to HD this
    summer. However, when I was programming the new remote the green
    button operates the TV only for power, not the receiver. The remote
    does operate the receiver for sound control just fine... but will not
    do the one-button power-up that I enjoyed with the old remote. So I
    am just using the old remote which still operates the TV and the
    receiver just fine and seems to have no issues interfacing with the
    HD-Tivo... (although I would really prefer using the HD remote). Is
    there something different about the HD remote that prevents them from
    operating in the same fashion that my older remote from the SD-Tivo
    does?
     
  20. Jul 6, 2006 #1240 of 1440
    wmccain

    wmccain Custom AV Consultant

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    Quite true. But the issue here, for home automation folks like myself, is not whether the remote can be used to change format and aspect ration, but whether or not these things can be controlled discretely. Unfortunately, both the "Ratio" button and the "Up Arrow" act as "toggles" that flip from one mode to another — they do not provide a direct method to put the DVR in any specific format or aspect ratio.

    For home automation purposes, "toggling" keys on remotes are next to useless. The classic example is the "Power On/Off" button. (Fortunately, some brands of equipment do provide separate IR codes for "Power On" and "Power Off", even though they are not always implemented as two separate buttons on the actual remote that comes with the device.)
     

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