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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. stayton

    stayton New Member

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    YOU ARE SO KIND - THAT HELPS A LOT
     
  2. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    one more thing: you'll only get HBO HD and Showtime HD if you subscribe to those channels...
     
  3. MrSpiff

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    As usual, this high tech stuff is dizzying to those who don't keep up, like me.

    I currently have two SD DirecTivos (one series 1 and one series 2). I covet them almost as much as my children. I don't quite know how I could go without the functionality of Tivo.

    Recently I've been seeing more and more HD at other people's houses, and I'm finally ready to jump in (too bad the wife doesn't agree). I have a pretty old 50" mitsubishi, but it's HD ready. I called D* a couple days ago and it seems I can get HD locals in my area thru the dish. This is really what I've been waiting for. I really dislike the idea of an OTA antenna. The lady told me all I had to do was get an HD box and an upgraded dish and I'd be good to go. And the price of the boxes has come down to reasonable levels. I thought I was good to go as soon as I can weasel a few hundred bucks out of the family budget. Until I came here that is.

    I think I read in the FAQ that if I bought an HD Tivo today, it would possibly be obsolete and unable to receive locals in a year or so. Something about MPEG-4. Is that true?

    Bottom line: Should I jump in to HD thru Directv right now or wait some more? If I wait, will the Tivo interface be lost forever for HD?
     
  4. vtfan99

    vtfan99 New Member

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    The HD Tivo will not receive HD locals from D*....not now...not ever. The only HD locals the HD Tivo will pick up will be from OTA, so you must have the antenna. If you don't want an HD Tivo, there is a plain HD box (no DVR yet) that will pick up the HD locals from D*. The HD DVR (non-Tivo) that will pick up the HD locals is supposed to be released this summer....but I think that date has already been pushed back, so who knows.

    If you want a Tivo box that records in HD, your only choice is D*...and you don't get the locals from the dish. Yep...it sucks....if only it were a perfect world. :(
     
  5. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    Unless you live in NYC or LA, the HD Tivo cannot receive HD locals from DirecTV now. The HD locals are being broadcast using MPEG4 encoding, and the HD Tivo does not support it.

    DirecTV will be coming out with an MPEG4-capable DVR, but it will not be Tivo.
     
  6. MrSpiff

    MrSpiff New Member

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    I asked that specific question when I called D* and they said yes, that I can get the HD locals thru the dish. Is this a case of moronic D* customer service?
     
  7. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    LA and NY DO have mpeg2 in HD...if you are in CA you may be able to get them..i dont know about the criteria though. I'm guessing if you are in LA you can get LA :)

    search in the HDtivo forum for better answers as there are rumors of mpeg2 being turned off. I know nothing! :)
     
  8. slocko

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    getting your locals through on ota antenna is not terrible. Direct will even give you the antenna and install it. there are even advantages. with your hd locals coming from the OTA, you won't be subject to any compression from Direct. in the future when you get a 2nd hd tv, the hd-tivo can make a great backup receiver, even if the only thing it can receive are ota channels.

    what you have to decide is if currently there are enough hd channels that you would be able to receive through the hd-tivo that would justify the cost of buying or leasing the unit.

    for me there is.

     
  9. vtfan99

    vtfan99 New Member

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    Misinformed customer service.....moronic customer service...take your pick. It does get tricky so maybe we should give them some credit.

    1. You can get HD locals from the dish now (MPEG 2) if you live in LA or NYC (as cheer mentioned above).

    2. If you apply to number 1, then the HD Tivo (Model HR10-250) currently offered via D* will allow you to record the HD locals

    3. If you don't apply to number one, then the only way currently to record HD locals with D* is via an OTA and the HR10-250.

    4. When the new HD DVR comes out in the future, you will be able to record HD locals from the dish, but this box will not a Tivo box.

    See...clear as mud :D
     
  10. MrSpiff

    MrSpiff New Member

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    Yes, I am lucky enough to be in the LA area. In this case, I suppose it's a good thing. Property values are another. :up:

    So, my original question remains. If I buy this wonderful HD Tivo box, I would be in HD Tivo heaven until DirecTv changes something and turns it into a paperweight? Seems somewhat criminal to sell a machine that becomes useless in a year.

    I will try to scour the rest of the threads.
     
  11. slocko

    slocko New Member

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    one more thing, conventional wisdom is the SD channels will continue being mpeg2 for the foreseeable future. so again, this will make a great 2nd receiver down the road.
     
  12. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    glad you brought it up. I get tired of hearing others say doorstop. Unless you truly dont have 3+ way conflicts (in that case i can say you dont need 4 tuners), an extra SD plus OTA box is indeed very nice
     
  13. joetoronto

    joetoronto HR10-250 Lover

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    lol, you know what they say about family, Spiff.

    you can't chose your family but you can chose your recorder.

    try the antenna, it works great for me. ;)
     
  14. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    Unlikely that the box will be useless in a year, or even three.

    Here are the facts, as we know them:
    • National HD channels and all SD channels are currently in MPEG2
    • Local HD channels in all markets except NYC and LA are in MPEG4
    • DirecTV has launched multiple satellites to expand their MPEG4 offerings
    • The only MPEG4 channels currently announced are the HD locals
    Now, here's what I think is reasonable to assume:
    • Once the HD locals rollout completes, DirecTV will likely start adding national HD channels in MPEG4
    • Eventually, DirecTV may begin migrating existing MPEG2 HD stuff to MPEG4 (national channels, the NFL stuff, etc.)
    • It is unlikely that SD channels will migrate to MPEG4; if they do, it will be many years before they start
    It's probably going to be over a year before the MPEG4 HD locals rollout finishes. So I'd guess the HR10-250 has at least a couple of years of life; longer for SD and OTA.
     
  15. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    Just a quick note -- the antenna D* supplies is junk. It may work in really favorite circumstances, but...if you really want to do OTA reception, get thee to antennaweb.org.

    And yes, your locals in HD will never look better than via OTA.
     
  16. slocko

    slocko New Member

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    D* gave me one of those flat round antennas and here north of Tampa it works very well. It even looks good, not like the traditional aerial antennas. I get all the hd locals with no reception problems.
     
  17. joetoronto

    joetoronto HR10-250 Lover

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    your fortunate you don't need anything better, slocko.

    allot of people have said what cheer just said, they aren't very good.
     
  18. slocko

    slocko New Member

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    i was surprised as well. when i lived in Central Jersey, i tried so many different antennas and none could get me all the hd channels without rotating it one way or another.

    now i get abc, cbs, nbc, wb, upn, fox, pbs with no problems.

    but the point is, that even if the antenna they give you doesn't work, at least all the cabling will be done. then you can replace it with whatever works in your area. for my install the guy multiplex all the signals to 3 different locations. he did a great job.
     
  19. baatz

    baatz TechoFobe

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    It's guys like you that ruin it for everyone else... You suck all the luck out of the ether! :D

    Did you plan where to live based upon HD signal coverage? And, you mean they didn't just cut a big hole in your roof and stick the antenna out of it? :eek:

    I've never bought a lotto ticket --- but if I were you I would immediately go buy one. No need to buy more than one, you shouldn't need it. ;)

    Or, maybe it's just that I'm UNLUCKY ? :)
     
  20. slocko

    slocko New Member

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    :D I know what you mean. Until people here told me that was a crappy antenna, I thought maybe I hadn't been using the right one.

    I do feel blessed because I am in HD-Heaven!
     

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