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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Dec 5, 2005 #1041 of 1440
    flmgrip

    flmgrip New Member

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    i'd be more concerned that if you really bought an EDTV and not an HDTV that you just dropped more than five bills on something that is already outdated and can not even truly display HDTV since you are missing some of the resolution...
     
  2. Dec 7, 2005 #1042 of 1440
    nunya999

    nunya999 New Member

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    I have an HDVR2 that's hacked for a web interface, downloading of recordings and no call outs. Been using it for 2 years and LOVE it. I'm ready to upgrade to HD and wonder if this new box is hackable for the same features? TYI
     
  3. Dec 7, 2005 #1043 of 1440
    Mikey Palmice

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    Here is what you have to do my friend. Call up DirecTV, ask for retention. Tell them you have done a lot of research about all of this. Tell them that you just spent your hard earned money on a unit that you have discovered may not be able to pick up your HD Locals in the near future. Tell them you were mislead by previous reps, and told that you were told that this device can be upgraded (which it can't). Tell them you want a 200 dollar credit on your next bill, because you can not use this box once the mpeg4 goes into full swing.

    They told me at some point you will not be able to get your HD locals with this box, however there is nothing in concrete that says when this will be. Tell them you will not pay for this uncertainty, and you would not get this uncertainty with cable. They could not promise me I would receive my HD locals with my box at least up to the point that the new mpeg4 HD DVR come out mid 2006. I ended up paying 99 dollars for this HD DVR, and I am very happy. Even if they do cut my locals before the new DVR comes out, it won't be as big a deal, as my investment was only 100 bucks.

    You need to use the conusion and mis-information at direcTV to your advantage. Believe me, they have taken advantage of the un-informed customers that are still paying 600 for the box.

    I rep actually had the balls to tell me that the current HD-DVR could be upgraded with a software download, I was lied to, and I made them pay for it.

    Don't take no for an answer.

    One question though, why did you buy an EDTV if you want HDTV service?
     
  4. Dec 7, 2005 #1044 of 1440
    AlpineZone

    AlpineZone New Member

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    For one, I'm not a huge AV techie like probably most of you all. Our family room is rather large and we sit probably 15+ feet from the set. Given that, I didn't see that we would have benefited by paying a thousand dollars more for the HDTV version over the ED. It was simply a cost:benefit judgment call on my part. The EDTV is fine for our viewing purpose. Interesting how some would rather criticise my ED/HD decision than to provide feedback on my actual question. :confused:
     
  5. Dec 7, 2005 #1045 of 1440
    tivoupgrade

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    I have to agree, there is a lot of misinformation out there. Basically, what is happening is that people make up their own stories to fill the vacuum. Based upon a few nuggets of information I've received, my story is this:

    There are many local markets out there that will not receive MPEG2 broadcasts; when locals come online, it will be MPEG4 for those markets, and those markets will be eligible for free MPEG4 receivers (swap out). I do not think this applies to DVR/TiVo systems, and I think the lack of a 'statement' with respect to DVR's in this context is causing the confusion.

    Longer term, DirecTV will switch over to MPEG4, and there will be a transition plan. This will take years, and MPEG2 streams won't be shut off until the bulk of the devices out there are MPEG4.

    Given that there isn't any availability of MPEG4 DVR systems (SD or HD), let alone even an announcement as to when they will be available, this isn't something we should be worried about right now.

    BTW, I don't think anyone is actively taking advantage of anyone; I think that there IS confusion and that people are just filling in the gaps as best they can.
     
  6. Dec 7, 2005 #1046 of 1440
    Mikey Palmice

    Mikey Palmice New Member

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    Oh, that's cool, but I think I did answer your question in the first 4 paragraphs of my answer. ;)
     
  7. Dec 7, 2005 #1047 of 1440
    AlpineZone

    AlpineZone New Member

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    You did. Thank you.
     
  8. Dec 7, 2005 #1048 of 1440
    Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    booze is the answer. Now what was the question again? :D
     
  9. rcuriel

    rcuriel New Member

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    I saw these at the local best buy on sale and wanted the HD Recording capabilities
    and dual tuners, but don't want to use DirecTV's service. Will the Tivo capabilities and other features still work with just OTA inputs?

    Thanks!

    Ray
     
  10. jrm_at_tivocomm

    jrm_at_tivocomm New Member

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    OK, so I'm trying to figure out all this new-satellites-and-service stuff. I called DTV about the status of the current HD-with-TiVo box, and was told by two different people that there will be an upgrade coming to that box that would enable it to work with the MPEG-4 satellites. Once upgraded, the box will be able to receive all HD content offered by DTV, with the content fully TiVo-able. They were uncertain when the MPEG-4 services would be coming online and when the upgrade would be available, which could raise questions about whether a gap might emerge between the new services coming online and the upgrade coming out, and that's of course a little bothersome. And, of course, the world could change completely. But unless I'm missing something, this sounds encouraging, and even close to the Right Thing. I called TiVo to check this out at their end, but they're closed now. Maybe tomorrow.

    Anyway, for those of you who know more about this than I (which is almost everyone, I expect) -- am I missing something? This is sounding much less dire than what I had been hearing up to now. Of course, that's the job of the people on the DTV phone lines...
     
  11. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    All of the meaningful functionality of the HR10-250 HD TiVo is lost if you don't have an active DirecTV subscription. Even the "on sale" price is partly a DirecTV rebate only available after you subscribe and commit to two years or pay an early out penalty.

    That said, I have two HD TiVos and I would not part with them until something equal or better (in MY judgement) comes along at little or no cost to me.
     
  12. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    This kind of misinformation from DirecTV CSRs is unforgiveable.

    The HR10-250 will never work with MPEG-4. The "upgrade" is really a replacement HD DVR that is NOT TiVo-software-based, but rather NDS-software-based from a sister company of DirecTV.
     
  13. cplittle06

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    Winston...
    I have the HR10-250 connected via HDMI to a Samsung DLP (HL-R4266W), but the reception on non-HD channels is worse than most tube TVs (fuzzy, pixilation which I assume is caused by format conversion). Are there any configurable options via the DirecTV box, TV, cabling (switch to component cables), etc. that will improve my picture?

    To take the next step, I guess I could purchase an OTA antenna but do not want to put anymore money into this setup than I already have. What's the latest news on HD local rollout to North Carolina (specifically the Triad)?
     
  14. cplittle06

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    Winston...
    Sorry, reposted as separate thread. Please ignore previous post!
     
  15. jrm_at_tivocomm

    jrm_at_tivocomm New Member

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    [see previous posting about DTV telling me that an upgrade for their current HD/TiVo box would make it work with the new MPEG-4 service]

    So, I called TiVo today to ask about this question from their end. The rep I spoke to said that she didn't know anything about DTV's plans ("they're our competitor, after all"), but that TiVo had recently announced that they would be shipping an HD-capable TiVo box. She said there had been a press release about this, but I couldn't find anything like that in the press section of the TiVo site.

    I >>really<< like not knowing who to believe here. It's not like substantial amounts of money are at play here...
     
  16. feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

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    Swapout of DVR/TiVo HD is supposed to be June 2006.


    If people read this forum they'll know all the facts. I may have to write a transitional FAQ but that would be worthless since this forum will be closed soon.
     
  17. feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

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    Folks, there is NO MYSTERY. People are choosing to confuse themselves instead of read the facts. Don't waste your time calling DirecTV, TiVo, or anyone else. The people you talk to are insulated from the facts.


    TiVo is developing an HD TiVo for Comcast.
    DirecTV/NDS is developing an HD DVR for DirecTV.
    and never the twain shall meet.

    DirecTV is not getting any more MPEG-2 channels (HBO HD, Showtime HD, HDNet, HDNet Movies, ESPN, ABC HD, NBC HD, CBS HD) and will eventually turn those all off and provide them in MPEG-4 only.

    Starting in December 2005, DirecTV started offering local channels in High Definition in MPEG-4 format to its subscribers in the 12 top cities. This requires a massive new dish and a new MPEG-4 receiver which cannot do any PVR functions. It's just a tuner.

    The MPEG-4 DirecTV DVR comes out in Summer 2006. It will not be a TiVo.

    Anyone buying an HR10-250, the DirecTV TiVo HD receiver (which cannot do MPEG-4) is gambling that DirecTV will offer a buyback/tradein to their new HD MPEG-4 DVR when it becomes available in Summer 2006. A few people who already have no trouble receiving local channels in HD with an ordinary antenna will be satisfied with the TiVo HR10-250 for the time being until DirecTV starts offering MPEG-4 exclusive channels.
     
  18. dialleft

    dialleft New Member

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    Perhaps no longer a gamble. I just received the HR 10-250 this week. When I ordered it from D* I asked whether it will soon be obsolete. The answer was, "Yes, probably in 6-12 months." They offered to replace it for a total $14.95 fee, including any required dish upgrade. She made a permanent note in my file, and she gave me her employee number.
     
  19. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    I don't understand why you call it a gamble when DirecTV has been quoted many times as saying that they will offer existing HD-Tivo owners a trade-in option for little or no money...
     
  20. bicker

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    I hope you understand the difference between making a permanent note in your file, and giving you written confirmation of what she said.
     

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