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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    no. if the signal fades, you're SOL...
  2. jelberse

    jelberse New Member

    Aug 7, 2004
    San Francisco
    Question: you note a non-Tivo replacement DVR will be made available in 2006. Then you say the new HD programs will not be recordable. I take it this means that the new DVR only records standard resolution. The question is: given the current (non) relationship between Tivo and Directv, is there likely to be a new integrated Directv HD Tivo at some point? How about just any HD Tivo that works with Directv? Does anyone know?

  3. Nov 4, 2005 #1023 of 1440

    feldon23 MythBuster

    Mar 13, 2001
    Houston, TX
    There will be no HD DVR for DirecTV for 8-10 months that can record anything off the new Spaceway HDTV satellites because of their MPEG-4 format. No TiVo can record them and the HD DVR from DirecTV's own shop, NDS, is 8-10 months away.

    DirecTV has all but severed their contract with TiVo. Do not expect any future DirecTV-integrated TiVo products.
  4. christoc

    christoc New Member

    Nov 29, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    Wow, I'm glad I read here first, I was going to pick up a HD Tivo for DirectTV in the next week or so to go with my new plasma TV. Guess now I'll look for another alternative.

    That sucks
  5. tivoupgrade

    tivoupgrade Sponsor

    Sep 27, 2000
    Chicago, IL...
    Seems like all the more reason to pick one up unless you are not in market that has good MPEG2 and OTA coverage.

    From everything I'm hearing, DirecTV will continue to sell TiVo systems for the forseeable future, but not be proactive in Marketing them. It sure does seem to me that the new stuff DirecTV will be marketing is much more generic and geared towards "regular" DirecTV customers and those who might be comparing with the "comparable" Comcast offerings.

    Obviously I have a different perspective, as a vendor who has something to sell today, but unless I'm missing something, there isn't much of a reason to not consider purchasing something like an HR10-250 today unless you place much higher value on local market channels that will only be available in MPEG4 vs the OTA and MPEG2 content that is out there today... am I missing something here?
  6. DoubleDown

    DoubleDown New Member

    Feb 16, 2004

    You have to use the digital channel/UHF counterpart ie in my area:
    KDLH - CBS - Analog 3 - Digital 33
    KBJR - NBC - Analog 6 - Digital 19
    WDSE - PBS - Analog 8 - Digital 38
    WDIO - ABC - Analog 10 - Digital 43
    KQDS - FOX - Analog 21 - Digital 17

    I just figured out the channel issue- while in the guide, press info, and select channels you receive.

    I setup the volume to control my yamaha receiver after I programmed the TV and it works fine.

    I have a total Newb question..... Do you have to call DirectTV to activate your Tivo service? ie, to use Tivo.com to schedule a program? or is what I see what I get?

  7. PortlandPaw

    PortlandPaw Woodstock-era Hacker

    Jan 11, 2004
    Thank you for a terrific overview of HDTV and TiVo. This may have been covered elsewhere, but I haven't been able to find it, so I'll ask here.

    What is the future of TiVo when HDTV becomes the only signal available?

    I understand that people will be able to buy converters so that their old sets can receive the signal, but what does that mean for people (like me) bringing the satellite signal in through a DirecTivo or through a satellite receiver plugged into a standalone TiVo (also me)?

    Will DirecTV continue to beam down conventional signals or will they all be HD? If HD, will there be a converter available that will feed into our current equipment? Or are we doomed to replace it all?

    In advance, I thank you for your insights.
  8. bigpuma

    bigpuma Active Member

    Aug 12, 2003
    Morgan Hill, CA
    It will be a long time before all channels are HD. I think you are referring to the FCC mandate that all over the air (OTA) signals switch to digital. That will have zero impact on DirecTV as it only applies to Networks broadcasting signals over the airwaves. By the time every channel becomes HD your DirecTivo will be a distant memory.
  9. PortlandPaw

    PortlandPaw Woodstock-era Hacker

    Jan 11, 2004
    That's a relief and it makes sense. Now if we can only assure that DirecTV continues to support TiVo, we'll be all set. Thanks for the info.
  10. gregftlaud

    gregftlaud Member

    Jun 16, 2004
    when my paricular market upgrades and they come out and put up the new mpeg4 dish....will it still work with my hr10-250 other than receiving any new hd channels dtv adds to their lineup?

    basically i know i can still use my hr10 to record locals ota...but will i still be able to receive the total choice plus package channels with the mpeg4 technology with my hr10-250?

  11. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

    Dec 3, 2000
    The technology is compatible, however the new 5-LNB Ka-band dish uses the frequency ranges above and below the existing used frequencies for the Ka-band satellite signals. While you can probably still diplex OTA signals on lines feeding non-MPEG4/Ka-band receivers, you won't be able to get an OTA signal to the new receivers using diplexers without sacrificing the ability to tune some Ka-band signals -- which may or may not be tolerated well by the new receivers.
  12. JHanafin

    JHanafin New Member

    Mar 2, 2002
    I just bought a DLP HDTV set and I have an HDTV cable box from Cablevision... But an older Series 1 Sony standalone TiVo. I understand it will only play back content in standard definition.

    Now forgive the ignorance... I've been reading the thread, but I just want to make sure... I'd like to buy an HDTV Tivo, but what I'm reading in this thread is that it's only available for DirecTV and there are no plans for a standalone HDTV TiVo?

    If so, do you have any suggestions for recording HDTV?

    I have a feeling I may need to sack the TiVo altogether. It seems like it won't be able to output a decent-enough picture for the new set. (Set would be too good for it, IOW... or I'd be able to see artifacts or whatever.)

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

    Jan 6, 2000
    New York

    See this thread for more information on the upcoming HD TiVo.
  14. Dec 3, 2005 #1034 of 1440

    emains New Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    Why would anyone want to get a tivo now when they are not compatible with HDTV. I certainly would discourage anyone that I know from getting one now. Everyone is going to want to have HDTV and want to have a DVR that works with it.
  15. Dec 3, 2005 #1035 of 1440

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    welcome to the forum...I'm not sure what you're talking about since there's a HD-Tivo unit out for quite some time now...
  16. Dec 4, 2005 #1036 of 1440

    flmgrip New Member

    Nov 26, 2003
    los angeles, CA
    emains, i would educate myself a little more before making such a blunt and unnecessary comment. any TIVO is compatible with an HDTV, i have been watching my SD tivo for two years now on my HDTV. i will upgrade soon to an HD tivo which will deliver me even better pictures on certain programing. and unlike some HD cable boxes the HDMI output actually works....

    welcome to the forum, read up a little and you will see what's going on.

    i have not watched LIVE tv for two years now. and i am loving every moment of it on my HDTV !
  17. Dec 4, 2005 #1037 of 1440

    The_Dude99 New Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    I called and went to Comcast tonight. The only deal they would give me was $30 off a month for service. They would not go under $499-100MIR. Where did I go wrong? The CSR kept on telling me why would you want used equipment from a cable company. He kept on trying to rip cable. So basically I got HD DVR for free with cable.
  18. Dec 5, 2005 #1038 of 1440

    AlpineZone New Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    CT, USA
    You ain't kidding. I'm in the same boat...

    I think what emains meant is, according to this:

    ...there's no point in spending 5 bills to buy a DirecTV HR10-250 if it's not compatible with the HD format that DirecTV plans to use soon...

    I'm majorly bummed about this. We just got a Panny plasma EDTV and so far I've been really happy with our SD DirecTiVo. Now I don't know what to do... :confused:
  19. Dec 5, 2005 #1039 of 1440

    tivoupgrade Sponsor

    Sep 27, 2000
    Chicago, IL...
    Have you ever seen Annie Hall? Alvy stops doing his homework because he finds out that the universe is expanding and that one day it will break apart and it will all be over. So what's the purpose of doing homework?

    Bottom line: Don't confuse the trend with reality. There are currently no alternatives to the HR10-250 out there (that I know of) and even when they are announced, and eventually become available, it will be quite some time before the units that are being sold today will no longer work. DirecTV has not announced any timeline for the death of MPEG2 only a plan to implement MPEG4. I guess if you are worried about spending $500 for HDTV DVR because it may not work in 3 or 4 years, that is one thing, but is that really what you are worried about?

    Slightly off-topic: if the introduction of the R15 is any foreshadowing of other products we will be seeing from DirecTV, then many of you folks may be unecessarily holding your breath, as well. This new fleet of products appears to be even more commodity-oriented than the currently available product. ie, cheaper, less functionality, and certainly not designed to "compete" with TiVo. Remember, DirecTV isn't out there trying to replace all the TiVo systems - they are trying to keep Comcast off their turf...
  20. Dec 5, 2005 #1040 of 1440

    AlpineZone New Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    CT, USA
    Of course not. If 3 or 4 years is the reality, I'm totally fine with that. Perhaps even a year or two. On the AVS Forum, there has been mention of DirecTV being willing to replace HD TiVos with whatever their new HD recorder is when it's released. Can anyone confirm that?

    So, is it a majority opinion that one should just go ahead and proceed with an HR10-250 purchase despite the DirecTV / TiVo marriage ending?

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