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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Nov 30, 2004 #861 of 1440
    leesweet

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    Okay, gah, I just re-read this whole thread to be sure I wasn't missing anything... :) Did we ever confirm that the RCA and optical audio can be active at the same time? It was mentioned at a possible solution to one issue at one point, but I can't find where anyone said that it actually worked. (Many devices with 'analog' and 'digital' audio only have one active at a time.)

    The application is to run a DD connection to my amp with the optical, but also use the analog, since I use wireless headphones sometimes, and my amp won't output optical inputs out on the L/R outputs.. Thanks!
     
  2. Dec 2, 2004 #862 of 1440
    JayDog

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    I have optical running to an A/V receiver, and red/white analog running to the TV... I've never had a reason too, but I'm pretty sure both output from the HD-TiVo at the same time.

    (Sometimes I don't turn on the A/V receiver, and just use the TV speakers... but not too often.. :) )
     
  3. Dec 2, 2004 #863 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Maybe because TiVo users don't want to get buried in the very technical AVS Forum just to find out basic information about why they should buy an HDTiVo?
     
  4. Dec 2, 2004 #864 of 1440
    botcher

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    Both analog and optical work simultaneously. IIRC, the only issue is the ping-pong type sound effects when using the remote in the menus. These sounds only go out the analog RCA ports. I recall seeing my AV receiver switch to analog when no AC-3 stream is present (like when going into a menu after watching a recorded Dolby Digital show), then hearing the tones. Yet, if I maneuver quickly enough to get out of the menus before the AV receiver switches back to analog, I never hear the tones.

    The tones have also served as a reminder that I left the TV volume up when I didn't want it! But, YES, you can hear the show's audio content out the analog at the same time as the digital output.

    Eric
     
  5. Dec 2, 2004 #865 of 1440
    leesweet

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    Eric, thanks for the info. I've got it hooked up with both optical and analog, and it appears to be working fine. Good to know it's not either/or!
     
  6. Dec 2, 2004 #866 of 1440
    leesweet

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    Well, the point wasn't about 'technical' information but just linking to *one* thread that has the current show information, because that, as several people have stated is quite out of date at the top. Was just trying to save you from having to update that information all the time.
     
  7. Dec 2, 2004 #867 of 1440
    leesweet

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    Hm, that's a better reason for both to work at the same time.. I hope that's why they made it that way. :)
     
  8. Dec 3, 2004 #868 of 1440
    Budget_HT

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    My understanding of when the "bong" tones can be heard is slightly different.

    I only have the optical output of my HD TiVo connected to my A/V receiver.

    When HD programs are or have last been playing, I do not hear any tones. When SD programs are or have last been playing, I always hear the tones (again, via the optical/digital output).

    My understanding is that the HD TiVo (and my HDVR2 SD DirecTV with TiVo) can play the "bong" tones through the digital audio output, UNLESS the digital audio is Dolby Digital/AC-3. In that case, no tones are heard.

    All ATSC OTA HD programs are Dolby Digital (even if they are only offering stereo content), so no tones. I believe the same is true for all DirecTV HD channels.

    Nearly all DirecTV SD channels are NOT Dolby Digital/AC-3, so the tones are heard.

    Finally, a series 1 DirecTiVo (like my Sony SAT-T60) cannot send any tones over the optical/digital output, ever.

    I have not tested whether tones can be heard over the analog audio outputs when the source program is Dolby Digital/AC-3.
     
  9. Dec 3, 2004 #869 of 1440
    leesweet

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    I believe the menu said that 'no tones will be heard when DD is being recorded' or close to that, which is all the time you are watching DD shows, so that agrees with Dave's analysis.

    I assume tones are going over the analog, as others reported, since I've got both wired, and I hear tones all the time on OTA, etc.
     
  10. Dec 3, 2004 #870 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    Hi
    thanks for this well documented page on Tivo and DirecTv. I also read your epic story about TiVO and SBC direcTV. I was wondering in the case of HD if you have met anyone with a similar case: triple LNB on the dish stacked together and going out of one plug in the wall.

    Is this possible first, and how would you deal with that? I live in a complex with MDU, and they charge a lot to activate HD, so I am looking for other options. If the signals from the 3 LNBs are stacked together, there might be a way to separate them.

    Any ideas?
    Thanks.
     
  11. Dec 4, 2004 #871 of 1440
    feldon23

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    All 3 satellites including HDTV programming can't be stacked on 1 wire. 4000 MHz is just too much for RG-6.

    I heard from someone knowledgeable at SBC that they are starting to stack all 3 satellites using 2 wires and re-combining in the apartments.

    You said they "charge a lot to activate HD"? They're probably charging you exactly what it costs to send the right signal to your apartment and give you the proper equipment for you to use it. Nobody said HD was cheap!
     
  12. Dec 4, 2004 #872 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    Yes, I know that HD is not cheap; it's just that I have the feeling they're trying to get as much money as they can out of it and way over the real cost. I just want to make sure that I am not being robbed (too much)....

    Thanks anyway, I'll probably ask them to come.
     
  13. Dec 4, 2004 #873 of 1440
    Budget_HT

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    odrybenj:

    Welcome to the forum.

    We are interested in just how your setup will work. Please share your info if you go ahead with HD in your home.

    For example, 2 cables or one? Any conversion/multiswitch boxes added (manufacturer and product ID), description of how things are interconnected, etc.
     
  14. Dec 4, 2004 #874 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    Sorry Budget,

    I am living in a complex wired by MDU, so I am having the same kind of problems (stacker/destacker) feldon had a while ago. I only have one cable in my wall (stacked signal) so TiVO does not work yet (I have a Hughes DVR80). I have a sharp LCD HD TV plus the samsung SR360 HD receiver that is why I'm interested in knowing how HD signal is routed with MDU. I only get HD trhough a Silver Sensor antenna for now.

    So I guess common configuration with common difficulties. An interesting thing is that my HD receiver works without destacker, so I guess it destacks the signal by itself.
     
  15. Dec 7, 2004 #875 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    feldon,

    I have a question for you since you since you posted the FAQ about HD and tivo. You showed example of connectivity using the 3 LNB dish. How does it work with a Phase III dish? It seems that there is only one cable running out of the dish, so how does your scheme get updated with this kind of Dish? I suppose you don't use multiswitch anymore sionec you have all three satellite signals in one cable..

    Thanks,
     
  16. Dec 10, 2004 #876 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Phase III dish IS a 3LNB dish. It has 4 outputs on it.

    Not sure where you are seeing 1 cable?
     
  17. Dec 10, 2004 #877 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    I just wanted to understand why I only have one input on the HD receiver. I have a Samsung SR 360. I guess if there is one input, it can support the signals from the 3 LNBs, whether there are 4 cables getting out of the dish or signals are stacked together in one, which seems not to be an option...

    An interesting thing also is that this receiver seems to have a auto-destacker functionality. For instance I don't need any destacker in a MDU complex, but that's something else. Adding a destacker seems to block odd transponders.
     
  18. Dec 10, 2004 #878 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The receiver sends a voltage (13v DC or 17v DC) and a 22kHz tone (or no tone) to the multiswitch to tell it what signal to connect to the receiver; that allows one cable to be used per tuner no matter how many real LNB's are involved in receiving the satellite signal.

    If the receiver supports destacking, to switch to non-stacked inputs, you'll need to adjust the configuration option (I think they refer to it as "WIDE" signal or something like that on Samsungs), or run through the automatic dish/LNB detection process again.
     
  19. Dec 12, 2004 #879 of 1440
    odrybenj

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    Ah ok! That makes sense of course.
    Thanks.
     
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