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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Jan 3, 2004 #41 of 1440
    Philosofy

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    A quick question: How would the HDTiVo differentiate between recording an HD program or its analog counterpart? If I am running low on drive space, could I tell it to record the West Wing in standard def tonight, rather than HD? Will season passes be format specific?
     
  2. Jan 3, 2004 #42 of 1440
    feldon23

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    I suppose you can set up Season Passes for whichever channel you want, whether it's the analog or digital version.

    I wonder how they're going to deal with the total lack of guide data for local digital channels. Dish hasn't come up with a solution.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2004 #43 of 1440
    Philosofy

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    After thinking about it, you would probably put in two season passes, with the digital station just above the analog. The 28 day rule would keep both from recording, and if there isn't enough space, it would automatically revert to the analog channel.
     
  4. Jan 3, 2004 #44 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Your choice; the 28-day rule applies. Create a season pass on the HD channel and a season pass on the SD channel. Prioritize the HD season pass first, then the SD one, if there's not enough space to record the HD program (and "not enough space" means there's nothing that could be automatically deleted at that time), then it wouldn't record, and if there were enough space for the SD version, it would record.

    Season passes being channel-specific makes this easy.

    Now for wishlists, it'd be different. One would expect a new option would be provided on wishlists with regard to HD vs. SD program preferences, and I think that was alluded to by someone allegedly with first-hand knowledge of it.
     
  5. Jan 3, 2004 #45 of 1440
    dswallow

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    I do not understand this "total lack of guide data" argument. I have full guide data for every HD channel in the program guide on my DirecTV HD receiver. That includes all NYC and Philadelphia stations.

    I suppose it may be referring to subchannels; except that in NYC the Fox station is broadcasting the UPN station on a subchannel and there's guide data for that. So again I do not understand this argument.

    This has been the case since March, at least, as that's when I got my receiver. I'm sure it's been the case for far longer, though.
     
  6. Jan 3, 2004 #46 of 1440
    jdk

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    DirecTV currently sends guide data for the local HD channels through the satellites to your HD receiver. You simply enter a zipcode for your local HD channels, and your locals appear in the Guide.

    Its not 100% perfect - it depends upon how acurately your local TV station reports to their guide service (don't recall exactly who they're currently using), but it seems to be pretty good right now.
     
  7. Jan 3, 2004 #47 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Well, you learn something every day!
     
  8. Jan 3, 2004 #48 of 1440
    AAhitman

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    If I am reading all this about connections right then the HD Tivo won't hook up to my 42" Mits which only has RGBHV connections. No DVI or HDMI. Is this correct?
     
  9. Jan 3, 2004 #49 of 1440
    dswallow

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    There are adapters to go from HD component to RGB: http://www.extron.com/product/product.asp?id=cvc200&subtype=36

    But they're not cheap... that one I've seen around for $700 (it lists for $895).

    I've seen cheaper ones, but they're rated only for 480p video. There could be other such devices though that would do what you need and be less expensive; even Mitsubishi may have something specifically for your television.
     
  10. Jan 3, 2004 #50 of 1440
    rscorer

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    Thanks for posting this information, I am now really looking forward to my trip to CES :)

    March is going to be an exciting month, I think I need a new equipment stack :D

    Cheers,
    Richard
     
  11. Jan 4, 2004 #51 of 1440
    rcwalters

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    I don't see this addressed here yet...maybe it's too obvious to some, but you basically cannot find a HDTV monitor that can actually display HD--you have to buy a $300+ HDTV receiver in addition. Does this TiVo include that hardware inside it, or do you still need the stupid extra $300 box?

    If the DirecTiVo includes it, that mitigates the $900 price to some extent.
     
  12. Jan 4, 2004 #52 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The HDTiVo is the receiver and will connect to your HD monitor directly via HDMI, DVI or component inputs. The "receiver" you refer to is the same sort of thing... but just for over-the-air reception, and isn't necessary if you have a different HD source like the HDTiVo, or another HD satellite receiver, or HD cable box.
     
  13. Jan 4, 2004 #53 of 1440
    KenW

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    I think we need a picture or a link on how to wire for it. I like the 3 dish option myself. :D
     
  14. Jan 4, 2004 #54 of 1440
    AAhitman

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    Mits has a promise module but it is 1000.00 and I'm not sure if it adds DVI. I know it adds firewire and a tuner. This could be a very expensive proposition.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2004 #55 of 1440
    Bigg

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    Can the HDTiVo record SD locals? It would need to encode the analog signal from the ATSC tuner (even though it would be NTSC). Also, can your TV use a VGA input? Could you adapt the DVI to VGA? I dunno. I'm a bit confused about interfaces that don't appear on pcs.
     
  16. Jan 4, 2004 #56 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The HDTiVo will not be able to encode anything; so it cannot record OTA local analog signals -- only those delivered over satellite or OTA digital signals.
     
  17. Jan 4, 2004 #57 of 1440
    Bigg

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    That sucks. So then is all of say CBS digital, or only CSI and other HD shows? Is the news 480i digital? If some is digital and some not, then some shows on a channel could be recorded, and some not. That really sucks.
     
  18. Jan 4, 2004 #58 of 1440
    dswallow

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    You're not grasping this... Everything broadcast on a digital station is digital -- meaning it's transmitted as MPEG2 encoded data. This broadcast format is called ATSC. The old analog broadcast stations are NTSC format. Anything coming over an ATSC channel is recordable. It doesn't matter what resolution it's broadcast in; it's still digital and MPEG2-encoded.
     
  19. Jan 4, 2004 #59 of 1440
    Wayne Bundrick

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    If by "SD locals" you mean an ATSC signal that is SDTV instead of HDTV, for example a TV station that is too cheap to do HDTV so they are just simulcasting their analog signal using 480i, then I believe the answer should be "yes".

    The HDTiVo is just going to spool the digital stream, or the relevant portion of it, as-is to the hard disk, so it shouldn't care what the format is until it's time to play it. And if the HDTiVo can play HDTV, then it surely has more than enough horsepower to play SDTV. I'm not aware of any HDTV receiver that is so borked that it can't handle SDTV. For that matter, ATSC compliance requires the ability to decode and display all 36 variants of the ATSC formats. DirecTV HDTiVo has no choice but to do it because all of the non-HD channels on DirecTV are effectively SDTV channels, and I don't see why they would handle DirecTV's SDTV channels but not be able to handle OTA ATSC SDTV.

    Since Fox isn't doing HDTV yet, I wouldn't want to be the one who would have to tell Rupert that his DirecTV HDTiVo units can't record Fox SDTV.

    Relax. HDTiVo should be able to record all OTA digital signals regardless of the resolution.
     
  20. Jan 4, 2004 #60 of 1440
    Bigg

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    :D LOL :D
    ok I get it. I'll have a regular DTiVo, but I was jus wondering.
     

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