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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Mar 30, 2004 #561 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Keeping in mind that the Channel Master 4228 is an awesome antenna. It more than makes up for any limitations in the Toshiba.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2004 #562 of 1440
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    Yes thanks to DSwallow's advice I got a CM 4228 antenna and a CM 7777 pre-amp. This combination got me the big 4, PBS and the WB in HD and I live far from the towers. My other antenna and preamp just couldn't do it.
     
  3. Mar 30, 2004 #563 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    edrock200 -

    I'm installing an ota also, how far away are u from the towers?... just curious.
     
  4. Mar 30, 2004 #564 of 1440
    midas

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    Just remember, the CM4228 is a UHF only antenna. If you need VHF, it won't do it.
     
  5. Mar 30, 2004 #565 of 1440
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    How are the OTA channels distinguished from the local channels. On my Sony SAT-HD100 locals are just 2, 4, 6,... and the OTAs are 2.1, 4.1,6.1,...
     
  6. Mar 30, 2004 #566 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Analog locals are just 2, 4, 6
    Digital locals are just 2.1, 4.1, 6.1

    Or if they get really fancy, 2-1, 4-1, and 6-1. :)
     
  7. Mar 30, 2004 #567 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    good point, I had to go with a gigantic 14 footer just to pick up NBC (channel 2). I much would've rather bought the smallish uhf type.
     
  8. Mar 30, 2004 #568 of 1440
    dswallow

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    It can be good enough up around VHF12 and VHF13 though. If the signal is sufficiently strong from the transmitter.
     
  9. Mar 30, 2004 #569 of 1440
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    Well I just looked it up again and I'm not as far as I thought, about 30 miles or so. I had a heck of a time getting the WB, just ask DSwallow about my PM harassment. ;) I had a VHF/UHF antenna in my addic, not sure which model, and a winegard ap-8700 preamp and the WB would not come in, the big 4 would but with problems.

    Once I got the CM7777 the big 4 came in fine but the WB was still a no go. Once I got the CM 4228 antenna I got the WB, PBS and several other local digital channels in addition to the big 4.

    The biggest time consumer though was aiming. It took me forever to get it right and it could still use some tweaking. I will order a mount with rotator so I can tweak it at my tv. For me aiming was hard because being in the addic seems to affect the signal.

    My wife was downstairs watching the TV (the signal meter on the ts360 is crap so we had to actually watch the channels) and I was in the addic aiming. Sometimes standing in certain parts of the addic would make a channel come in whereas standing in other parts would weaken it. And it's not areas you would think, I wasn't standing in front of it or behind it, I would be off to the side or far in the corners. I'd get all the channels to come in, then I'd leave the addic and and soon as I exited the signal would get blocky. So it took a lot of guessing and checking. I almost fell off my ladder like 3 times. :)
     
  10. Mar 30, 2004 #570 of 1440
    dswallow

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    What kind of insulation was in your attic, Ed? You sound a little stuffed up; you keep saying addic. :p
     
  11. Mar 30, 2004 #571 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    Ed, glad u came thru your antenna aiming without any injuries, sounds like it was quite a job. It reminds me of aiming the Phase 3 dish last Spring on my roof. I held the cordless phone w/earpiece and the wifey watched the signal meter. Sort of fun in a way but tedious.

    I guess being in the attic will help prevent corrosion and u certainly won't have any trouble with wind but I bet your signal strength would jump if the antenna was outside. U must've been acting as a reflector to the signal given your different results while moving about.

    It's lucky u don't have to worry about picking up any VHF signals. I only have one VHF (NBC channel 2)which required a much bigger antenna than a UHF only(all the rest are UHF). I'm about 70 miles from the towers so I've got to get that baby high and directed perfectly but it should work. I just hope the wind doesn't blow it down. I just brought home the RS VU-190XR - almost 14 feet long. Supposed to bring in UHF from 100 miles. We'll see..... (I might have to ask Doug to hold the ladder and catch me if(when) I fall...
     
  12. Mar 30, 2004 #572 of 1440
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    Good luck Tom! Let us know how it goes. The attic ;) install was more for convenience. After looking through teh baltimore/dc thread at AVS I might move it to the roof but I'm not sure. There are occasional glitches in the signal that would probably go away if it were mounted on the roof...
     
  13. Mar 30, 2004 #573 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    I bet your signal would be much stronger outside and also being in the attic, u might lose the signal completely if it rains, is foggy or snows. I can see your point on the convenience factor. I wish the attic idea would work here.

    All u'd need for a roof instal is a tripod from Radio Shack ($27), a 5 foot mast(~$10) and ground cable.
     
  14. Mar 30, 2004 #574 of 1440
    dswallow

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    and... a ladder, maybe some rope anchored to a fixed structure to tie around your waist, cleated shoes (if a very sloped roof -- old tennis shoes with screws driven into them can work), a drill (and long drill bit) to make a hole to get the cable inside, and some caulk or putty to seal the hole around the cabling.
     
  15. Mar 30, 2004 #575 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    yes, yes, yes, but that's stuff guys like us have lying 'round the house from previous projects...

    u forgot to mention he'll also need U for roof catching.....
     
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    dswallow

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    And then there's the "Real men don't need rope or special shoes" factor if you're being watched while you install it by neighbors/family... :)
     
  17. Mar 30, 2004 #577 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    expected u to say u didn't have a 'long drill' lying around the house... but I wouldn't believe u... I bet u have plenty of caulk too...
     
  18. Mar 30, 2004 #578 of 1440
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    Having just remodeled my kitchen a little over a year ago, I have almost every necessary (and unnecessary) tool to rip any size or shape hole in almost any type of material. And I have the supplies to seal it back up again. :D
     
  19. Mar 31, 2004 #579 of 1440
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    For those with a VHF channel, if the VHF channel is like 30 mi away, can you just take a pair of rabbit ears for VHF and a UHF only rooftop and then combine the signal with a bakcwards cable splitter? Or am I totally off???
     
  20. Mar 31, 2004 #580 of 1440
    Tom in OH

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    that might work just fine since VHF is supposedly easier to receive than UHF, especially if someone is close. Unfortunately many of us are much further away than 30miles. But good idea. A smaller antenna outside on the roof would be much less susceptible to winds.
     

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