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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Mar 18, 2004 #501 of 1440
    dswallow

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    In sufficient quantity the digital tuner won't be very expensive at all. But getting to the point where this happens is the problem; in a price-competitive industry with very small margins, manufacturers aren't usually interested in being the first out there to force people into a new tuner. But if everyone has to do it at the same time, it might be possible.

    Yes, equipment will become unusable without a separate receiver; that's why a phase-in period was established. Digital television is not something brand new sprung on us today and given 2 yearsw to completely replace analog broadcasts; this stuff has been in existence for years, and many stations have broadcast digitally for years. We're just now reaching a period where people can actually believe a critical mass can occur.
     
  2. Mar 18, 2004 #502 of 1440
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    Certainly people are getting digital receivers and watching it in digital, but there are still millions of people who want to use NTSC tuners.
     
  3. Mar 18, 2004 #503 of 1440
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    I think cable companies will still do NTSC (analog), looking at how OpenCable specs are written.

    And "the real deal" as far as the intent of the transition is for the better utilization of the air wave frequencies. That usually translates to more money for some people. :)

    Hong.
     
  4. Mar 18, 2004 #504 of 1440
    dswallow

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    I hadn't thought much about the little portable television receivers; that's probably one device that's just gonna be obsoleted. I doubt anyone's going to produce a little portable ATSC receiver for them. ;)
     
  5. Mar 18, 2004 #505 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Well already ATSC receivers are pretty damn small. 5 inches by 3 inches by 3/4 inch surface mounted on an HDTV tuner PCI card.
     
  6. Mar 18, 2004 #506 of 1440
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    That's a lot bigger than many little portable TV's I've seen.

    Remember Seiko's watch TV, for example? It had a little battery pack with the tuner, but still was tiny compared to 5x3x3/4".
     
  7. Mar 18, 2004 #507 of 1440
    Bigg

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    Who wants to pay them for a few channels to pip and such. Anyway, this new regulation is UNFAIR to every person in this country who owns an NTSC tuner. Which is like 250 million of us. theres probably like 400million or more tuners in the country. the numbers just don't add up for this regulation to work. I hope that there are not enough people with cable/sat to make this work, or someone stops the pot smoking i the FCC offices.
     
  8. Mar 18, 2004 #508 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Bigg,

    You're completely full of crap. There are not 250 million people watching TV with rabbit ears. Something like 25% have a TV that depends on OTA and something like 15% have their primary TV depending on OTA. For those people, a $30-50 adapter should be made available to tune in ATSC.

    85% of the population has cable/satellite.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2004 #509 of 1440
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    I own at least 6 NTSC tuners, and I can't wait for NTSC to go bye bye. So make that 249,999,994. :D
     
  10. Mar 18, 2004 #510 of 1440
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    there are 250million people with NTSC tuners that will be obsolete. A LOT of people have rabbit ears in combo with D*/ E* or on a second TV that they don;t want to pay mirroring on, or they don't want to run a cable to. Also, a LOT of people have those little 5" tvs that have antennas, or the little LCD ones. if you don't like NTSC, don't use it. simple as that. if you do, do.An adapter that adds another ugly thingy to your entertainment center, doesn;t allow pip and is herder to control than the integrated tuner in a tivo or vcr.
     
  11. Mar 18, 2004 #511 of 1440
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    Periodically, articles are quoted at AVS Forum with the statistics. IIRC, they don't calculate how many people have OTA, but they have said that 15% have OTA only, and 85% have cable/satellite; of course some of the 85% also have OTA, in addition to the 15%.
     
  12. Mar 18, 2004 #512 of 1440
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    > Anyway, this new regulation is UNFAIR to every person in this country who owns an NTSC tuner.

    I don't know whether that number is 250 million or smaller. I just think that you can't possibly represent "every person in this country who owns an NTSC tuner". Maybe just you. :)

    Come to think of it, I do have three NTSC tuners and two of them, I actually do use for tuning to an NTSC channel.

    Hong.
     
  13. Mar 18, 2004 #513 of 1440
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    Oh, and BTW, FCC would probably be the right place to complain about the issue, unless Mr. Powell visits this site often, of course. :p

    Hong.
     
  14. Mar 18, 2004 #514 of 1440
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    Well, he does have a TiVo...
     
  15. Mar 19, 2004 #515 of 1440
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    Sooner rather than later, NTSC television broadcasting is going away. It matters not, at this point, whether it is fair or unfair, wise or unwise.

    Where where all the defenders of NTSC in 1998?
     
  16. Mar 25, 2004 #516 of 1440
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    Great FAQ Feldon,

    FYI, I notice that you mention 23 O&O from Fox but only list 22 (Dallas is listed twice).

    Thanks for the service!

    # Matt
     
  17. Mar 25, 2004 #517 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Hmm. I'll have to look into that. Thanks!
     
  18. Mar 25, 2004 #518 of 1440
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    Sorry if I missed this... anyone know if the box will output on all outputs at the same time? For instance, will both component and DVI output together?
     
  19. Mar 25, 2004 #519 of 1440
    feldon23

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    I guess I need to add this to the FAQ.

    You can have EITHER the Component OR DVI (HDCP) active. And the S-Video/Composite are only active when the whole receiver is set to 480i output.
     
  20. Mar 25, 2004 #520 of 1440
    wmccain

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    BIG mistakes (sigh).

    How easy is it to switch between the component and DVI outputs? (I know about the front panel button for 480i format.)
     

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