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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Feb 13, 2004 #381 of 1440
    dswallow

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    a) The diplexer is an additional thing to use before the connections go to the satellite receiver. You'd install a diplexer on one feed from the multiswitch and from the diplexer connect to the antenna input and one of the satellite intputs; another feed from the multiswitch would go directly to the other satellite input.

    b) If you run a separate line directly from the antenna, then no diplexer is used.

    This is how you do it whenever you need to get an antenna signal to some tuner input and the antenna signal is combined with a satellite signal. It doesn't matter what sort of receiver your using.

    The advantage comes about when you have more than one tuner that needs an antenna input or when you want to save on running a separate wire for the antenna signal.

    The power adapter is included with the multiswitch.

    If a multiswitch were passive (not powered) it wouldn't amplify the signal; each output of the multiswitch would be some percentage of the signal available since it's split 8 ways (on an Nx8 multiswitch). I've seen one 5x8 multiswitch that could operate without power (but also could be powered), every other one I've seen requires power.
     
  2. Feb 13, 2004 #382 of 1440
    wired711

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    Many, many thanks Doug. Any recommendations for a particular diplexer or are they pretty much all the same? I can check the sources you gave me for the multi-switch.
    Wired
     
  3. Feb 13, 2004 #383 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The specs on loss of signal of various diplexers does vary, but not usually enough that I'd say it's worth worrying about when using a powered multiswitch to combine the antenna signal. Terk makes one, as does Channel Vision... and you should be able to find diplexers at Radio Shack, too... just about anywhere you find the multiswitch, you'll probably find diplexers for sale. Channel Vision does differentiate between diplexers intended to combine the signals and diplexers intended to separate the signals, but most don't. And even those from Channel Vision would work in either capacity -- they've just tried to optimize some things for the purpose they're intended for.
     
  4. Feb 13, 2004 #384 of 1440
    wired711

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    Thanks again Doug.
     
  5. Feb 14, 2004 #385 of 1440
    timatraw

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    Installer connected a powered "DirecTV approved Eagle Aspen Model DTV4x8" 4x8 multi-switch as part of the $99 retention deal at no charge.

    Doug or anyone,
    I am getting the CM 4228 antenna installed into the HDTV receiver. I want it to be "HDTIVO" ready. I have an antenna install scheduled and I want to make sure I get it right. The installer isn't the brightest bulb in the pack so i'll need to know how to instruct him.I thought about having the installer run the cable from the antenna directly to the receiver. I guess the cable goes from the CM4228 antenna to the dish and then the HDTV receiver. Is this correct? Should the cable go from dish to switcher and then to the box? Do I require (or do you recommend) diplexers for install?
    Thanks.
    Tim
     
  6. Feb 14, 2004 #386 of 1440
    timatraw

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    Sorry...
    Diplexer question was answered in above post. New questions. I just had new HDTV receiver installed. I'm waiting for HDTIVO. I also have regular DTivo and third D*receiver. Will have four after April! Am I running out of inputs? I have the Phase III dish. What cables go from Phase III switcher to the 4x8 switcher? How do I connect OTA signal from dish to HDTivo and the other two boxes? I guess this is where those diplexers come into the picture.
    Thanks all.
    Tim
     
  7. Feb 14, 2004 #387 of 1440
    Bigg

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    Four satellite cables go from the Multi in the dish to the cascade multi. If you ever need more DTV outputs, you can use another 4x8 cascade switch, under the existing multi that is under the dish. the OTA signal is totally independent of the satellite signals. It would go through a CATV splitter in the attic, and then a coax line needs to be run to each of the TVs where that signal is required. Avoid diplexers if you can.
     
  8. Feb 14, 2004 #388 of 1440
    timatraw

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    Whats the difference between a diplexer and a splitter? What does a "cascading" multi-switch do?
     
  9. Feb 14, 2004 #389 of 1440
    feldon23

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    The only way to guarantee the best reception is to run the cable from the antenna directly to the receiver. Diplexing is an imperfect science and can drown out some or all of the DirecTV signals.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2004 #390 of 1440
    feldon23

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    A diplexer, depending on which end you plug it into, either injects or extracts over-the-air antenna (rabbit ears) TV signals out of wire that is also carrying a DirecTV signal.

    A 5x4 multiswitch has a built-in diplexer, so any antenna plugged into it will be available from any of the 4 downstream outputs.

    A splitter (which you CANNOT USE FOR SATELLITE TV except in rare instances) splits a TV signal so you can use it on 2 or more TVs.

    In a nutshell, preserve full access to all 3 satellites (101, 110, 119). If you do NOT use a cascadable multiswitch, you'll lose access to most of DirecTV's HDTV offerings.
     
  11. Feb 15, 2004 #391 of 1440
    wired711

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    timatraw - thanks for your reply on this. Really good to know they included the powered 4x8! Hopefully there will be no problem with getting one included when I call (today or tomorrow) to ask for the $99 retention deal.
    A followup...

    1. When did you call and what receiver model did they give you? Any problems with it?

    Speaking of calling to get the retention deal...
    2. How did you go about asking for the deal? Did you just call up and ask for it or did you do a bit of a song and dance and say "I'm planning on getting HD from my cable company and dropping DirecTV because it's not costing me anything to upgrade my equipment with Cable. Can you offer me any reason to stay with DirecTV?" or something like that. Just wondering what approach might be most successful. I've recently read a post on another thread from a 2+ year customer (I think) that said he'd made several calls and couldn't get the retention deal yet.
    Wired
     
  12. Feb 15, 2004 #392 of 1440
    timatraw

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    Called a couple of weeks ago. Received the new Samsung 360HDTV receiver. The 360 has lots of bugs that are being worked on by D*.There is a comprehensive thread over in the AVS forum about this topic. I called and asked for the "Retention Dept." I told them I was dropping Satellite for cable and was offered the $99deal. They also threw in free intall, second install for an additional room, Showtime free for 6 mos., HBO @ $2.00/month for six mos., free dish and receiver, and courtesy OTA antenna install (I bought the antenna). I have been a customer for two plus years and that seems to be a criteria to get the deal. If denied, you can tell them that many people at the AVS forum heve received this deal- be professional, polite and assertive.
    Good luck.
    Tim
     
  13. Feb 15, 2004 #393 of 1440
    timatraw

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    Does the HDTIVO have an internal diplexer? What is the benefit?
    Thanks.
    Tim
     
  14. Feb 15, 2004 #394 of 1440
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    Isn't 1080i 30 frames per second (interlaced) and/or 60 fields per second?
     
  15. Feb 15, 2004 #395 of 1440
    wired711

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    Thanks timatraw. Looks like I'm about ready to make that call. Are any of the 360HDTV bugs causing you problems? I'll look for the AVS topic.
    Thanks,
    Wired
     
  16. Feb 15, 2004 #396 of 1440
    wired711

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    Just got the $99 deal. No shipping charge either. After credit, it's exactly $99. I had to take the $10.99 per month HD Package for a 12 month commitment which we really didn't want. She looked to see if she could give us the deal without it but she couldn't. We already have HBO so we'd automatically get HBO HD anyway + National feed of CBS in HD since we live in an owned and operated city. This was enough for us now at least until we get an antenna installed for OTA HD. Oh well. It's first month free so its basically $144.00 for a year if we decide to drop it after that. I know we'll enjoy the HD channels. Installation is this Saturday. She confirmed they will install an nX8 multiswitch and even put a note on the work order to make sure. I asked her to add that it be a "powered" multiswitch but probably that's what it would be anyway from what I understand. She doesn't know if we'll get the Huges HTL-HD or the Samsung TS-160 receiver. In a few days we'll see what gets shipped to us.

    Thanks again timatraw and please do let me know what problems you might be having with the Samsung. Do you know if the HTL-HD is OK?
    Wired.
     
  17. Feb 15, 2004 #397 of 1440
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    You'll probably get the TS-360.
     
  18. Feb 16, 2004 #398 of 1440
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    I'm confused. After reading most of this thread, I called DTV and spoke with customer retention and they told me DTV did not offer DTV-HD-TIVO. The lady did offer to sell me the HD receiver and credit me $300 after I said I was thinking of going to cable. Is the HD-TIVO available? Or, are they just tossing me around?
    Also, What is the AVS Forum?

    Thanks

    Bob
     
  19. Feb 17, 2004 #399 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Maybe you should read it a little slower next time. ;)

    The DirecTV HD DVR will be released at the end of March.

    While it's purely speculative, don't expect too much, if anything, in the way of special offers on it, even from customer retention, for some time.

    www.avsforum.com -- run by the same folks who operate this place.
     
  20. Feb 17, 2004 #400 of 1440
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