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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Feb 7, 2004 #341 of 1440
    Darin

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    If that is how they are set up.... two feeds to each unit, then split to individual rooms from there, it would get even less exensive if they could convince them that they should offer two stacked signals to everyone.... split up the cost of the 2nd stacker. :)
     
  2. Feb 7, 2004 #342 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Are you saying that 1 feed coming into the apartment can only see 101 and the other feed can see 101/110/119?

    This would be strange but, I guess, understandable.
     
  3. Feb 7, 2004 #343 of 1440
    MCodanti

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    I think his point is he can get a 101/110/119 feed, or a stacked 101 feed. If you choose the stacked 101 feed you can split it to multiple boxes in your apartment, if you choose the 101/110/119 feed, you can't split it. I think it was very nice of them to give you options.. Shows some planning.

    I agree with DSwallow, your best bet is to try and get a neighbor to share with you. Then you could use a 4x8, 5x8, or 4x16 multiswitch to give their feeds back, and run everything in your own apartment.

    Good luck!
     
  4. Feb 7, 2004 #344 of 1440
    MitsHD

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    Yes, MCodanti's depiction is correct, and I have that option on either of two cables only coming in. Since I want to feed multiple SD receivers, I will be working with one cable having stacked 101, and the other having 101/110/119.

    I don't think I'm up for the attempt to stack the 101/110/119, as the cost isn't worth it for the marginal benefit. As it stands, since I can record two OTA signals and one sat signal with HD, I will have a fair amount of flexibility for simultaneous watching/recording.

    So the real question for me is the one Darin addressed -- what would happen with one 101/110/119 feed and the other a stacked 101 feed? This would allow me to do one HD sat program and one SD sat program at the same time, which I won't be able to do with one one sat feed.

    If the Tivo has a preference about which satellite input it selects first, I could feed the 101/110/119 into that, and it might work as long as I'm heads up about what's going on at a point in time so that I don't schedule conflicts. But if it is random in terms of which tuner it goes for when both are available, then it's not going to work.

    My guess is that I'm at a level of operational detail that we don't know about yet, since the unit isn't released. I don't need to call this shot right away, so I can get the unit up and running, and then see if I can get some clarity from TIVO (or this board) on whether the mixed sat feeds will work after we have some experience with the unit.

    Thanks very much to Darin, Doug, Feldon, and MCodanti for taking so much time to weigh in here. This board has been fabulous for me in coming up to speed.
     
  5. Feb 7, 2004 #345 of 1440
    dswallow

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    I think the provision of both stacked SatA and a single full-access SatABC feed are interesting... and that you might have some hope that the company that installed these systems would be willing to listen to your request for a stacked SatA and a stacked SatBC feed. They might be willing to provide for that with the knowledge that there's going to be other residents who will face similar problems you're facing. When the cost of stacking and providing for the distribution of the SatBC signal is spread across multiple units, your incremental cost to destack them and feed a 5x8 multiswitch is probably around $200. That's not an outrageous cost; in line with what you'd pay to have a professional installer run more cabling if that were possible in the first place.

    It can't hurt to express your desire for them providing such options.
     
  6. Feb 7, 2004 #346 of 1440
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    My guess would be that you would have a 50/50 shot of recording anything that was on 110/119. I doubt that it will be "smart enough" to say "oh, I'm not getting these satellites on this input, but I am over here, so I'll TRY to use this input for 101, and keep the other open for 110/119". That is such a rare situation, that the programming complexity just wouldn't be worth it. Not only will you probably be in a situation where half of your 110/119 recordings get missed, but you will occasionally find that the 101/110/119 feed is being used to record something on 101, and you won'to be able to watch 110/119 because you won't want to interupt that recording.
     
  7. Feb 7, 2004 #347 of 1440
    MitsHD

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    Good call, Darin -- I see your logic. I'll just stay with the one feed. Thanks.
     
  8. Feb 7, 2004 #348 of 1440
    feldon23

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    If you combine your 101/110/119 feed with a neighbor's 101/110/119 feed, plus your stacked input, you can generate unlimited outputs.

    You could ask them to run their line through a small hole in the wall and in exchange you would run 2 101/110/119 wires back into their apartment.

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    You may need to use a tone generator to keep the 101/110/119 inputs set to output odd 110/119 and even 110/119.
     
  9. Feb 7, 2004 #349 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The cascadable multiswitch would be generating that.

    And in your drawing don't forget the line going back to the neighbor. ;)
     
  10. Feb 7, 2004 #350 of 1440
    MCodanti

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    Using Feldon's method you could even create a unlimited 101 + 119, or 101 + 110 feeds without your neighbors extra feed. (But you would have no full 101+110+119 feeds)
     
  11. Feb 7, 2004 #351 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Not quite like that... It'd be 101 + 110/119 clockwise polarity or 101 + 110/119 counterclockwise polarity.
     
  12. Feb 7, 2004 #352 of 1440
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    Well, no, you could do a 101 + 110 + 119 even without the neighbor's extra wire, OR a 101 + 119 odd, but not a 101 + 119 (full). That would almost be a decent solution, if they didn't have the good channels mixed up the way they do. But right now, 110 has ShowtimeHD, HDnet Movies, ESPN, and DiscoveryHD, while HBOHD and HDnet are on the ODD transponders of 119. So you'd have to choose between those two groups. And you'd risk losing the channels you picked if/when they move things around (which they could easily do once 7s is up).
     
  13. Feb 7, 2004 #353 of 1440
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    Feldon's solution is terrific -- but I can't do the neighbor access physically. I have, however, figured out a workaround to all this. The two cables-only configuration is replicated through the unit from a distribution panel where the feed cables come in, so I have two cables back to my home theater cabinet.

    On one, I'll use the 101/110/119 feed I have now with OTA (from the roof) combined, diplex out the OTA, and have three tuners on the HD Tivo (one satellite, two OTA).

    The new HD Tivo will replace my existing Hughes HIRD E-86 and Tivo Series 2, and I'll still have one unused coax, one more SD satellite signal at my distribution panel, and a UHF antenna in the front closet near the distribution panel that gets the local OTA's (building roof antenna is separate). I'll diplex the fourth 101 signal with the indoor UHF antenna, and bring that back to the Hughes E-86 through the second coax. Then I'll have OTA hidef through the Hughes (probably never use it given two OTA tuners on the new TIVO), and SD on the Hughes going into the Tivo Series 2 as I do now. That gives me a clunky but functional way to record additional satellite programs in SD if I need to while recording another satellite program on the HD Tivo, and a way to do three OTA's at once, which as I said I may never use.

    That's probably my best workaround, and the lost potential from putting the E-86 on Ebay is about the same as the cost of the mutiswitches and destackers would be if I could get a neighbor's line. All I lose is the ability to Tivo/watch two satellite HD programs at once, and I can easily live with that.

    I wouldn't have thought of this without the stimulus of the dialogue we've had on this. Thanks again.
     
  14. Feb 7, 2004 #354 of 1440
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    Who was bitching about this forum not being helpful? Kudos to Darin, Doug and Feldon. I'm sure others noticed, but I just wanted to point out the custom pic that feldon created in his last post just to address MitsHD's specific problem.
     
  15. Feb 7, 2004 #355 of 1440
    MCodanti

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    Since we don't know exactly how the HD Tivo will work I can't say for sure but I suspect it won't do what you want.

    We have decided that it probably treats 1 D* and 1 OTA tuner as one virtual tuner. So it has 2 virtual tuners. When you tell it you only have one D* feed, it probably will turn off that whole virtual tuner. Meaning you will have a one tuner box. (Either OTA or D* at any given time.) Otherwise the scheduling would get too complicated.

    I could be wrong, but plan for one tuner and be surprised if both OTA work with just one D* feed.

    (My understanding is that the Dish Network 921 will ONLY work if you have 2 sat feeds hooked up... Won't even operate with only one.)
     
  16. Feb 8, 2004 #356 of 1440
    lady400

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    As a late arrival to this party, I just wanted to post a thank you to feldon23 for this excellent informative post.

    I've been on a hiatus from electronic toy buying for quite a while, after a period of upgrading to HDTV, Tivo, prog scan DVD, surround sound, etc. While I used to post in the AVS forums fairly frequently, it's been a long time now.

    I was still thinking that HD Tivo was a long way off, but something made me check the Tivo forums recently for any news. Wow!! I was quite surprised to see that this long awaited device is very close to reality. This post made me start to drool.

    It was good timing for me, too. I was able to get the hubby to give a thumbs up to the pre-order since we are getting a good tax refund this year. I won't be in the first wave, but that's okay. :D

    Thanks again.
     
  17. Feb 8, 2004 #357 of 1440
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    Lady 400:

    Timing is everything and yours is impeccable. Good to see you back.
    Regards:
     
  18. Feb 11, 2004 #358 of 1440
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    Sorry to jump in late on the party here but I had a thought. I know you said a neighbors line is not an option, but if it was, with one line you could in theory do all 3 sats. If your neighbor had a stacked "SD" cable, split it and run it into your home. Destack it and use that for 101. Request that both feeds coming into your apt be "HD" feeds, and plug those into 119. That would give you eight outputs (assuming your using a 4x8) that can see all of 101/110/119. I'd also recommend putting a DC block between the direct line from the multiswitch to the stacker (not destacker.)
     
  19. Feb 11, 2004 #359 of 1440
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    :confused: Sorry if this has been already answered, i tried to read all the threads but did'nt see an answer to this.
    if my pj supports 720p, can i set the output from hdtivo to 720p and be good for all channels:confused:
    :) thnx for any info:)
     
  20. Feb 11, 2004 #360 of 1440
    dswallow

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    Yes.
     

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