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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Feb 4, 2004 #301 of 1440
    dswallow

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    I think there's some confusion between just what source material is expected to be encoded by such a hardware MPEG-2 encoder; SD/NTSC material, for instance, can be encoded in MP@ML using rather inexpensive and readily available equipment. But realtime MP@HL encoding of HD source material isn't readily done for even $1,000... and at the moment, much much more.

    So it might be worthy of some wonder as to why at a $999 price point a decision was made not to incorporate sufficient hardware to be able to handle SD/NTSC MPEG-2 encoding, whether or not such hardware was utilized in the initial feature set. And programming data certainly is available somewhere since it's available to current standalone TiVo subscribers. But it's not, currently, available in the same satellite-delivered program info datastream by DirecTV.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2004 #302 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Well if DirecTV could be assured that the HDTiVo couldn't be hacked to have schedule/guide data for cable TV then I think they might put such an input. It would do just manual recordings though.
     
  3. Feb 4, 2004 #303 of 1440
    dswallow

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    On the other hand, if DirecTV wasn't subsidizing the equipment (or had recovered its subsidy on the particular piece of equipment involved) it would be a convenient way to attract a new subscriber -- one who already has much of the equipment necessary to benefit from satellite delivered programming from DirecTV.

    So lets say DirecTV allowed them to be sold and used by non-DirecTV-subscribers... the investment then already has been made and DirecTV only has to convince them to get a satellite dish and start paying for programming.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2004 #304 of 1440
    Darin

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    But who in their right mind is going to pay $1k (or even more if that meant loss of a subsidy) for a stand-alone SD Tivo?
     
  5. Feb 4, 2004 #305 of 1440
    dswallow

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    It'd also do OTA ATSC.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2004 #306 of 1440
    Darin

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    Well that's a good point. What do those ATSC only recorders cost? Doesn't Zenith, or someone like that make one?
     
  7. Feb 4, 2004 #307 of 1440
    dswallow

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    The LG Electronics LST-3410A, which records ATSC and NTSC/analog broadcasts, single tuner recording, 120GB drive (12.5 hours HD), goes for $999.95.
     
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    Skyboss

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    I think it's more likely the units will remain TiVo units with basic TiVo service (i.e. the Pioneer DVD/TiVo units) and then be upgradeable to full service for a monthly fee, or perhaps a discounted one time fee.

    If the buy TiVo lock stock and two smoking barrels.... Damn. Talk about making cable and E* scream. No chance for such a good interface. Replay is close, but not that close.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2004 #310 of 1440
    CPU_Nurd

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    When I called Tivo last night about something else I was told they have no interest in HDTV and that DirecTV would be takeing all the calls and doing all the Service on the HDTV Tico's. Since DirecTV has told me they have no interest in OTA, I think there is a problem forming. It's for sure they would have no interest in Cable. But somebody should buy Tivo, they sure are hostile to DirecTV users, over the phone at least.
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  11. Feb 6, 2004 #311 of 1440
    BrettStah

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    BrettStah

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    The lesson to be learned is to NOT rely on customer service reps for information like this... come here, where the good information is! :)
     
  13. Feb 6, 2004 #313 of 1440
    CPU_Nurd

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    I haven't found my solution yet, there is lots of talk but I still have a $700 reciever that can only program DirecTV. When I have a solution I will let you know. I don't see anything anywhere that sez anyone is going to support much of anything on recievers from local Antenna inputs. There may be some confusion here, they do support the local stations they retransmit over the satilite, but in my area they don't retransmit any of my 59 local Digital stations. They do retransmit 1 LA station, I live in the San Francisco East Bay area. I have more local Digital options then I do local Anolog options. One local station, KGO transmits on 7.2 nothing but the local dopler radar, talk about boring, but sometimes useful.
    I need help with programming of local over the air (not satilite) stations
    that are Digital. Nothing.
     
  14. Feb 6, 2004 #314 of 1440
    BrettStah

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    I wasn't understanding your issue previously... your problem is that you do not have accurate guide data for your digital OTA channels, right? You may want to contact your local stations, as I suggested there, or maybe someone else here has another suggestion.

    Also, I don't see what Tivo has to do with that at all...
     
  15. Feb 6, 2004 #315 of 1440
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    If you are talking about a DirecTivo (be it the current SD models, or the upcoming HD-Tivo), they are not paid to support it, and I'm sure their CSR's don't have any tools to support them being being told to re-direct those calls to DirecTV. There agreement with DirecTV is such that DirecTV is supposed to be doing the support.

    What specifically are you trying to get support on?
     
  16. Feb 6, 2004 #316 of 1440
    CPU_Nurd

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    Tivo is actually listing about 7 of my 59 Digital stations on the local survice area on the Tivo. If they supported my reciever and put the IR channel information for that reciever in sub-channel format I would have 7 local digital stations, oh and that is providing they would drive my reciever for local which they will not do. They insist on using the Tivo RF for input, they do seem to drive the IR for some reason but with the local broadcast station number, I think they are supporting 12,29 and 6 30's. I could not get them to explain what these channels worked with but I expect it's the Digital Tivo, although the statdard for digital recievers seems to be to use the Sub-Channels.
    Yes, this is all very confusing to the layman, and I have had a commercial FCC license for 35 years and it took me a long time to actually realize that it's a lot like dealing with used cars, you hear what you want, you need to drive it but seeing that it's a component system it's not always easy to drive it . Thanks.
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  17. Feb 6, 2004 #317 of 1440
    CPU_Nurd

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    I just want a way to get programming information into a box, any box, that will allow me to record local off the air(not satillite) programming on a recorder, perferably a DVR. I have 59 local Digital stations, I can not program them to record. I thought I had the solution with the Sony HD300 but I didn't realize that NOBODY will support this feature. It looks easy enough to do, I don't need the recordings to be digital, I just need to record. I find that manual recording of Local Digital is posible and is much better on my Sampo then DirecTV local stations.
     
  18. Feb 6, 2004 #318 of 1440
    BrettStah

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    I think that the chances of the current Tivos supporting HD receivers are pretty slim.
     
  19. Feb 6, 2004 #319 of 1440
    yogislayer

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    Hello all:

    This is my first post to your forum and I never owned a TiVo unit before so please forgive my ignorance and keep the answers simple enough for a newbe to understand.

    I just bought my first HDTV (Sony GWIII, KF-60WE610) and will be purchasing the new Hi Def TiVo unit as soon as it comes out. I understand that you can not record HD quality out of the TiVo onto another device, but my question is simply...

    Does the new HDTV TiVo allow you to hook up a standard DVD recorder or VCR unit to its outputs and record your Hi Def show onto the DVD or video tape in standard definition? If so, which outputs on the TiVo unit can be used to do this? And can you actually do this and still use the TiVo unit as a HDTV receiver and watch television in HDTV while you are doing this? I read something about the new TiVo only putting out a signal on one set of outputs at a time. I will always have my TV connected to the DVI connector and don't want to have to disconnect the cable every time to record onto a DVD or video tape and I want to be able to watch TV while I am copying something over to DVD or video tape.

    Thank you in advance for taking the time to respond to this post.

    Bill
     
  20. Feb 6, 2004 #320 of 1440
    dswallow

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    All TiVo units currently in existence as well as the DirecTV HD DVR will only output one thing... meaning you can't be displaying something different out of one output than you're watching out of another. The DirecTV HD DVR can record from two tuners at once, even while you're watching another recorded program, but cannot output two different things.

    You could connect your DVD recorder to the S-Video output, but S-Video output cannot be active at the same time is the HDMI output, so while you're recording you'd either have to be watching the S-Video (or composite) outputs or watching something from a different device.
     

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