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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Feb 1, 2004 #281 of 1440
    paulj

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    I don't believe so. I guess I know where to go to get an early pickup!

    paul
     
  2. Feb 1, 2004 #282 of 1440
    gregggreg

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    I might hook up an anntena eventually. How does that change it? Does the anntena have to be on the roof? I live in San Francisco proper and I *almost* have line of sight to Sutro Tower where almost all of the HD channels are broadcast from (about 2 miles away). If I have to put an anntena on the roof and run another line from there to get OTA HD, I might just skip it. I don't watch much major network TV anyway. HD PBS would be cool though.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2004 #283 of 1440
    MitsHD

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    Need some input from someone who has an understanding of how the tuners in the HD Tivo will be set up. I'm in a mid-rise condo, and the building system is set up so that the HD satellite feed and the rooftop OTA antenna come in on the same coax.

    I feed that into the "satellite" input on my Hughes HIRD E-86, and then select "Local in 2" on the local menu, and that works fine -- no splitter required on the back, as the Hughes splits out the OTA internally.

    Does anyone know if the new unit will work the same way, or if I'll need a splitter? I know I may miss the dual tuner feature for the satellite feed, but I would like to have it for the OTA feed.

    Any insight anyone has on this would be helpful as I think about configuration.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2004 #284 of 1440
    bigpuma

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    Being that close I would think you could use rabbit ears and get reception. I hear the Zenith silver sensor is a really good indoor antenna that would definatley work for you. The only thing is I doubt you would get NBC 11 since it is now in San Jose.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2004 #285 of 1440
    duffin

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    I've placed work with Solectron in the past and their MO is to ramp in Mexico to get it right, then go to higher quantity runs in Asia. On the other hand, plants actually compete for projects, so manufacturing over the long-term may stay in Mexico if they can compete at the higher volumes.
     
  6. Feb 1, 2004 #286 of 1440
    DTV TiVo Dealer

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    The HD-DVR250 has a separate coax input for the off-air signal, so you will need your di-plexer to separate the signals.

    Good news is the HD-DVR250 splits the OTA signal to support the dual OTA ATSC tuners.
     
  7. Feb 1, 2004 #287 of 1440
    duffin

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    Most likely Guadalajara
     
  8. Feb 1, 2004 #288 of 1440
    Joe Smith

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    If you can tune to the UPN station by going to Channel 44, then tuning to Channel 45 will not be a problem. The OTA HDTV tuners use the ordinary over-the-air VHF and UHF frequencies.

    I live in Fremont and am able to get all the OTA digital channels from SF on a 9-inch diameter UHF antenna. I get the San Jose NBC channel via rabbit ears.

    KTVU SD=2 HD=56
    KRON SD=4 HD=57
    KPIX SD=5 HD=29
    KGO SD=7 HD=24
    KQED SD=9 HD=30
    KNTV SD=11 HD=12
    KBWB SD=20 HD=19
    KICU SD=36 HD=52
    KBHK SD=44 HD=45
     
  9. Feb 3, 2004 #289 of 1440
    Skyboss

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    Of course the final question on an OpenCable TiVo box. Since cable co's are the primary members, as are Motorola and SA. One has to wonder if they will shut TiVo out...At least in the short term to get a head start.
     
  10. Feb 3, 2004 #290 of 1440
    feldon23

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    With OpenCable, TiVo has a chance, but Motorola and Scientific Atlanta have head starts and their flimsy boxes are being given away for free/cheap.
     
  11. Feb 3, 2004 #291 of 1440
    hallerbach

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    Is there any kind of workaround for this (other than a VCR)? What about future plans to convert the analog signals to a format that the PVR can record? Is this technically feasible?

    the problem for me is that I am in a market (Reno, NV) that has no plans to offer networks over direct TV (at least not in 2004).

    Thanks.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2004 #292 of 1440
    feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

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    This is the HDTV TiVo forum. I assume you want to get your local channels in HDTV?

    Enter you ZIP code here and click on the colors to see what size antenna you need. Then look at the beginning of this FAQ. If you are in a house, you can put a rooftop or attic-mounted Channel Master and get good recption for ~$50.

    http://www.antennaweb.org/

    By the way, Reno, NV analog locals will be available from DirecTV in April 2004. A 3LNB dish will be required, which I'd assume you will already have installed to get DirecTV's HDTV offerings!.
     
  13. Feb 4, 2004 #293 of 1440
    emunro

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    For $1,000 I would expect an encoder. Anything less is cheap, lazy, narrow-minded, and discourages market share.

    The competition will deliver the no-brainer features and TiVo will suffer. We need encoders on DTiVo boxes and video extraction to stay loyal to the TiVo products.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2004 #294 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Sorry but you're full of crap. They cannot deliver an HDTiVo for $1,000 with an encoder and why the hell would anyone who wants to watch fuzzy crappy analog channels buy a $1,000 HDTV TiVo?
     
  15. Feb 4, 2004 #295 of 1440
    emunro

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    I assure you that I am very sincere. It's called an all-in-one box. Some programming is only available on cable and/or analog OTA. Why force me to use a VCR or purchase a standalone unit to record the shows I want to watch? If given the choice, I would purchase the product that I found most useful. The tuners are already there, they just need to add an encoder chip.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2004 #296 of 1440
    hongcho

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    It's just that an HD MPEG-2 encoder isn't cheap. A hardware realtime MPEG-2 encoder seems to be by itself, at least, more than $1000. And with two tuners, you need two encoders.

    Hong.
     
  17. Feb 4, 2004 #297 of 1440
    hongcho

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    I guess you wouldn't need an HD encoder for those cable channels. But still, it would have added at least a couple of hundred dollars more.

    Also, that would have made their system quite more complex and would have delayed the product even further (not to mention the costs). I think this is a very good first HD product.

    Hong.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2004 #298 of 1440
    Darin

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    If I'm not mistaken, the tuners are NOT already there. The only tuners it has are satellite tuners and ATSC tuners. Not analog NTSC tuners. If you are saying you want a product that is like the HD-Tivo and SD standalone combined (add an SD tuner and encoder), then the cost add would probably be similar to the differential price between a stand-alone TiVo and a standard DirecTiVo (a couple hundred dollars). But the market that would want something like that is VERY small. By year end, DirecTV will be able to provide over 93% of the market with local channels via satellite... developing such a box for 7% just doesn't make good business sense. ESPECIALLY when a very small percentage of that 7% even has HD (they never combined the SD TiVo with the SD DirecTivo, so the chances here are even slimmer). I know that doesn't help you, but that's just the way it is.

    I just don't think you're going to have any option beyond two devices (like an HD-TiVo and an SD stand-alone TiVo), unless and until your local cable company provides you with a better option.
     
  19. Feb 4, 2004 #299 of 1440
    feldon23

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    A hardware realtime MPEG-2 encoder is not $1000 but it IS one of the major components in the price of standalone TiVos which start at $200.

    An HDTiVo with a single analog tuner/input would cost an additional $50-100 AND would dramatically increase the complexity of the software development and program guide info. How is the TiVo supposed to know what is on that analog input?
     
  20. Feb 4, 2004 #300 of 1440
    bobp

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    So Feldon, now that we are all about to add more DTivos to our households (my 'old' Hughes is headed to the bedroom), have you seen any new stacker solutions that will allow us to truly stack 3-LNB signals on a single strand of coax? A Super-Duper-Stacker?

    If such a solution actually exists, I don't envy you in creating the graphic;-)

    Thanks Feldon!

    B
     

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