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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Jan 26, 2004 #241 of 1440
    Darin

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    I think TECHNICALLY (legally), that is only true of the OTA stations, and possibly basic channels (??). I haven't kept up with everything, but I THINK they can downrez the output of non-protected outputs IF it's premium content (like PPVs, HBO, etc.). Whether or not they'll actually take advantage of that, is yet to be seen.
     
  2. Jan 26, 2004 #242 of 1440
    Marty M

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    ANY RESPONSES WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

    (1) Will the HD-DVR250 include a signal strength meter for HD OTA?

    (2) I'll rountinely copy programs from the HD-DVR250 to a Pioneer Elite DVD-R. The Pioneer only has an S-Video or composite input at 480i -- which would be typical of most recording devices or a VCR.

    My understanding is that you can easily switch from standard definition to high definition with the remote or the front of the unit itself.

    But what happens to the connections on the back?

    Does the unit switch automatically from HD component to SD S-video or composite?

    Robert with Value Electronics says it does.

    However, Feldon23 in a response on a different thread said that you must go into the set-up each time to switch from Component to S-Video/Composite.

    This is an IMPORTANT ISSUE for anyone who plans on transferring and archiving recordings to a VCR or a DVD-R.

    If Feldon is right, we'll have to go into the setup and manually switch from component to S-video output each and every time that we want to archive to a VCR.

    And then have to go into setup and switch back in order to watch HD.

    This would be a real pain in the b*** if Feldon is right. And is a really dumb design. I already have a stand-alone TIVO and rountinely archive recordings -- as I'm sure is true of many of the forum participants.

    Can anyone who has seen the unit or a manual comment on how it works?
     
  3. Jan 26, 2004 #243 of 1440
    rogo

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    "...but I THINK they can downrez the output of non-protected outputs IF it's premium content"

    Not really. In fact, everyone agreed this wouldn't happen in the cable deal. Now there is an out. If somehow, Hollywood railroads Dish and/or DirecTV, then cable TV can down-rez the component.

    Chances of this happening? I'd say essentially zero.

    Mark
     
  4. Jan 26, 2004 #244 of 1440
    rogo

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    Oh, and if Feldon really did say that, I'm fairly certain he is wrong.

    It has been established that if the HD out is set for 480i, you'll get simultaneous output over composite and S-video.

    To switch from component to HDMI, now that might well require a trip to the setup... But that doesn't affect the issue above.
     
  5. Jan 26, 2004 #245 of 1440
    MCodanti

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    This has been gone over in many other threads.. TiVoPony (works for TiVo) says that when you select 480i it will output S-Video, Composite, and then either Component or HDMI based on your menu selection.
     
  6. Jan 26, 2004 #246 of 1440
    Hootydog

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    A little late but thank you for your timely and reassuring answers. Sounds like I'll be good to go as soon as March rolls around. :up:

    Great thread, and forum you have. Unlike some I visit, (most) all here seem very friendly and helpful even to dense newbies like me. Personally, I have no use for trolls and personal attacks so prevalent elsewhere.

    Keeping it light with opinions encouraged and BS not tolerated encourages people to keep coming back IMHO.

    I look forward to continuing to track the progress of the release of HD Tivo with all your help.


    Keep up the great work.


    :D Chappy :D
     
  7. Jan 27, 2004 #247 of 1440
    feldon23

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    The FAQ could be clearer on this. When the TiVo is in 480i mode, then the S-Video and Composite outputs become active. No need to switch with the remote or button on the unit.

    This is a general DirecTV question so I'll leave that to the DTV forum.

    The diagram in the FAQ answers this.

    Not an HD TiVo question.

    I was going based on early preliminary information. That info has since been updated. I will update the FAQ.

    Sure, this will work for South Chicago and nowhere else on earth. South Chicago has the only cable service in the USA that carries their local channels in HD "free and clear" as an 8VSB signal.

    QAM is the standard encoding standard for 90% of cable systems in the USA. In all but a few markets, this is encrypted QAM so even if there was an HDTiVo that spoke QAM, it wouldn't have the keys/passwords neccesary to record or play this material in most markets.
     
  8. Jan 27, 2004 #248 of 1440
    Marty M

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    Thanks very much to Feldon and MCodanti for responding to my questions. It is greatly appreciated.

    My apologies if I posed a question covered in previous threads -- I wouldn't have asked if I had seen those other threads. I only saw the previous thread/response by Feldon that I referenced -- why is why I asked. It is an important issue -- at least for me.

    Thanks again. I will dump DISH in March and switch to HD TiVo.
     
  9. Jan 27, 2004 #249 of 1440
    Jacquelyn

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    Will the 480i signal also be sent via the component output? I know this has been discussed but I'm still not clear (and info seems to still be coming in).
     
  10. Jan 27, 2004 #250 of 1440
    feldon23

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    480i is always output on S-Video, Composite, and the HDTV output you've chosen.

    So either:
    S-Video, Composite, Component
    or:
    S-Video, Composite, HDMI (DVI with adapter)
     
  11. Jan 27, 2004 #251 of 1440
    Jacquelyn

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    Whole House Video Issue:

    Well that seems to solve 95% of my initial whole house video issues.

    With the limited drive size of the stock HD Tivo, our other DirecTiVos and our travel schedule - what we record on that Tivo will be "sit down and watch" programs rather than the "walk around the house" variety. With the exception of visiting the kitchen/bar which has the 2nd plasma.

    I bought a component video and digital audio selector with two outputs so that took care of seeing HDTV programming on the two plasma screens via component.

    Then on the few instances where one of us wanted to finish watching a program in another room, the one watching the plasma would just have to watch the 480 signal.

    Not a perfect solution and one I hope gets addressed in the next version, but workable for now.
     
  12. Jan 27, 2004 #252 of 1440
    oleus

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    i currently have two dual tuner directivos and one RCA DTC100 HD dtv receiver inside my tv. this comes from the dual arm lnb with sat C and a multiswitch outside.

    will i be able to utilize all the recording capacities of the hdtivo? my two directivos see all the channels except the the HD satellite, while my HD receiver gets everything. but i'm guessing with my current setup i won't be able to use dual-tuners to record two HD channels at once, will I, unless one of them is OTA.

    since the new HD Tivo will be replacing one of my current directivos (and making my DTC100 obsolete)...i'm windering if i can change my multiswitch wiring?

    thanks...i know this may sound confusing.
     
  13. Jan 27, 2004 #253 of 1440
    hongcho

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    With your current setting, you won't be able to record ANY HD channels.

    With an HD Tivo, you will be able to record ANY TWO (2) channels whether they are on OTA, SAT or one on each.

    When you replace both the dual-tuner DirecTivos and the HD receiver (3 satellite cables and possibly one OTA cable) with an HD Tivo (2 satellite cables + 1 OTA cable), you will have one satellite cable unused, and don't need to touch the multiswitch.

    I hope I got that right.

    Hong.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2004 #254 of 1440
    llogan

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    Everything you wrote Hong is spot on. One minor consideration, I'm unsure about what type of multiswitch he has and whether or not he'll be putting up an antenna. If he puts up an antenna and the multiswitch supports bridging the OTA signal then it might change things for him a little.

    Basically, from an HD satellite perspective, Hong's totally right and nothing changes.

    I'd personally recommend running a line from the antenna directly to the HD Tivo for OTA. But he may choose to input it into the multiswitch if his multiswitch is capable, which it may not be.
     
  15. Jan 28, 2004 #255 of 1440
    oleus

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    alright ....i'm a litte confused about something here. maybe i wasn't clear about my current setup.

    if i run the line currently going to my HD DirecTV receiver (DTC100) into the new HD DirectTivo, *and* the two feeds currently going to my directivo (that is currently in the same room as the HD Directv receiver inside my TV), AND the OTA antenna i have in the room (RCA double bowtie), why would i not be able to record any HD?

    as it stand now i use two different directv receivers in the room i have my HDTV in. one is inside my tv that I use mainly for HD (but i get all the channels) and then the dual tuner Directivo for recording.

    you see, i am planning on not using the DirectV HD receiver inside my TV when i get an HD Directivo and also replacing the old directivo with this new unit.
     
  16. Jan 28, 2004 #256 of 1440
    bigpuma

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    You would, although you would only run 2 of the 3 DirecTV lines into the HD Directivo plus 1 OTA line (split into 2 by the HD directivo).
     
  17. Jan 28, 2004 #257 of 1440
    oleus

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    well, i also seem to remember that my directv installer said that 1 (mayhe 2) of my directivo inputs had access to the HD satellite just because of the way the multiswitch works

    i guess i need to figure out which of my tuners has access to NASA tv, because that means that input would have HD access, right? they're still on the same bird as the DirecTV HD, right?
     
  18. Jan 28, 2004 #258 of 1440
    hongcho

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    > well, i also seem to remember that my directv installer said that 1 (mayhe 2) of my directivo inputs had access to the HD satellite just because of the way the multiswitch works

    Your DirecTV tuner (be it an SD recever, an HD receiver, or an SD Tivo) can "see" any signals on any transponder from three satellites (if you have all three LNBs, that is).

    It's just that only an HD receiver will know what to do with an HD DirecTV channel (e.g., HDNet, HBO-HD, etc.).

    > if i run the line currently going to my HD DirecTV receiver (DTC100) into the new HD DirectTivo, *and* the two feeds currently going to my directivo (that is currently in the same room as the HD Directv receiver inside my TV), AND the OTA antenna i have in the room (RCA double bowtie), why would i not be able to record any HD?

    Currently, you have

    - One (1) sat cable to DTC100.
    - One (1) OTA cable to DTC100.
    - Two (2) sat cables to SD DirecTivo.

    Correct? With this set-up, as I said above, the SD DirecTivo won't know what to do with HD channels, such as HDNet. So, you are not able to record HD channels. You can record HBO, but you are not able to record HBOHD on 509.

    If you intend to keep your SD DirecTivo with the new HD DirecTivo, you are short of one sat cable since an HD DirecTivo needs two (2) sat cables. However, if you get rid of the SD DirecTivo, you will have one (1) sat cable left over.

    And only with an HD DirecTivo, you will be able to record HD channels.

    Is this any clearer, or am I confusing you even further?

    Hong.
     
  19. Jan 28, 2004 #259 of 1440
    tach32000

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    I have no HD equiptment at the moment, but I am looking.

    I called DirectTv and was told that with and HD receiver and dish, I could view HD programming off of my network feeds, ie. CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX if the show that the network was broadcasting was in HD.

    Is this correct?

    Thanks,
    Brian
     
  20. Jan 28, 2004 #260 of 1440
    oleus

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    hongcho -

    this is my exact setup :

    i have 5 lines coming into my house. 2 pairs of 2 for the two directivos, and one for my HD receiver (that line sees all 3 birds - the 4 directivo lines do not , although i think 1 of the 4 does because of teh way my multisiwtch is routed). I plan on dumping the downstairs SD Directivo for the HD Tivo (i also plan on not using the DTC100 anymore)...so that would be 3 feeds (1 HD) available for the HD Tivo, right? (and a 4th from my OTA antenna)...

    by my calculations i'll have full dual tuner SD recording with the HD Tivo, plsu 1 tuner of DirectV HD and OTA. is this correct?

    i know that the regular SD Directivos can't record HD...i was actually asking about the upcoming HD Tivos and my setup.

    my main concern is whether i'll need a new multiswitch. i know my current setup won't allow for simultaneous recording of 2 DirectV HD channels...but i am willing to live with that since i can record OTA simultaneously.
     

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