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** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by feldon23, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. Jan 20, 2004 #201 of 1440
    jautor

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    There's a separate OTA input on the back of the unit. So worst case, you'd need an un-diplexor to separate the OTA signal from one of the sat lines. I've never personally used the diplexor solution, but from what I've read around here (and avsforum), they do work, but at the expense of some signal loss on the OTA side. If you've got strong OTA signals, that may not be an issue.

    But in my mind, if you *can* run a separate line from the antenna, you should... Now, if that costs money, then I'd certainly try the diplexor route first.

    Jeff
     
  2. Jan 20, 2004 #202 of 1440
    mercurial

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    To bring up a controversial question... Any idea if it will support Caller ID display? Should have a unified hardware base so no problem with some models/hardware refreshes not having CID support in the modem... Kinda getting used to it again with the new Samsung SIR-TS160 that I got with the $99 HD TV deal- be nice if they brought it to TiVo finally.
     
  3. Jan 20, 2004 #203 of 1440
    Wayne Bundrick

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    Since digital OTA reception can be so hit-or-miss, the diplexor would be the first thing I'd take out of the equation if I couldn't get a signal.
     
  4. Jan 20, 2004 #204 of 1440
    BrettStah

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    There is no Caller ID feature, from all reports I've seen (I haven't personally laid eyes on these boxes, but I've been trying to keep up). They could probably add in such a feature later on...
     
  5. Jan 20, 2004 #205 of 1440
    feldon23

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    For $900, you get a DirecTV receiver that, although it has TiVo, DD, and HDTV capabilities, it's actually a bare bones DirecTV platform.
     
  6. Jan 21, 2004 #206 of 1440
    o2manyfish

    o2manyfish .....Damn Tivo

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    Perhaps a stupid question, but over the past years I keep noticing that the quality of DirectTV broadcasting keeps declining. So many stations that used to be supersharp seem to be fuzzed now that more stations have been added to the stream.

    With the HD programming, is the picture quality guaranteed to any degree ? As more HD stations are added to the sats are we going to see even greater degradation of the picture quality on the standard def stations ?

    Thanks,

    Dave B
     
  7. Jan 21, 2004 #207 of 1440
    Skyboss

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    I just can't wait for 2006.

    HD TiVo with Open Cable QAM tuner for scrambled and unscrambled. Home network option. And NFL Sunday Ticket via cable.

    I live for that day... I really do... :D

    Running out of patience with Open Cable and Directv.... Sick of all the equipment. Someone please simplify my life for me.
     
  8. Jan 21, 2004 #208 of 1440
    Darin

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    For the relatively short term (next couple of years?), I think the PQ of HD is a fairly safe bet. DirecTV only gets in the neighborhood of 30-35Mbps per transponder, which is JUST enough to put two HD channels on. Doing three would be a big enough difference that I could not seeing them trying to push it that far. As HD becomes more "mainstream", and HD possibly grows into FSS transponders (which I believe have 45-50Mpbs each), or maybe even the Ka band, then their flexibility to make incremental changes that they'd hope we wouldn't notice will increase. They are also getting new equipment that better allows them to mix SD & HD channels on one transponder. So in the long term, it probably just depends on how tight and valuable bandwidth is for them, as well as how marketable PQ becomes.

    FWIW, even OTA HD faces the same concerns, as local stations start getting lured into using subchannels as a form of revenue, and reducing the bandwidth available to the HD stream. The only thing that will likely prevent this from happening is the demand for high quality being high enough that they can associate money with it.
     
  9. Jan 21, 2004 #209 of 1440
    feldon23

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    We're already seeing overcompression of HD locals as local affiliates crowd out the HD channel with digital versions of their analog channels and Doppler radar feeds.

    These people don't realize that 19.2Mbps is the MINIMUM bandwidth for HDTV to not start breaking up and looking terrible. 19.2Mbps just happens to be what each ATSC channel has.

    Without turning this into a rehash of dozens of topics with thousands of posts on the AVS HDTV Programming forum (I recommend heading there to learn more about HD programs), the 2002 Olympics were completely unwatchable in HD here in Houston. KTRK-13 had a subchannel of their analog feed which was enough to cause every sporting event from the Olympics to look like pixelated crap.

    Fortunately I had access to an HDTV with the national HD cable variety channel 'HDNet' which was also responsible for getting HD coverage of the Olympics available to NBC in the first place (Along with Japan's NHK).
     
  10. Jan 21, 2004 #210 of 1440
    snooplives

    snooplives Fa-sizzle dizzle

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    Didn't Dtv just re-up with the NFL for exclusive rights to the Sunday Ticket through the end of the decade? They paid close to a billion dollars. I don't think you'll ever see the Sunday Ticket on Cable. Especially now that Murdoch owns Directv. He will overpay to keep it exclusively his.

    Snooplives
     
  11. Jan 21, 2004 #211 of 1440
    Bigg

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    I know that if you have a dish @ 101 and a dish @ 119, you can use a 4x? multiswitch, but how do you do it with three dishes? You would have to combine SAT B and SAT C somehow. could you do this (twice) with a cable splitter b/c they are on different freqencies? How would you do this?
     
  12. Jan 21, 2004 #212 of 1440
    Darin

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    You HAVE to use a Sat-C LNB for the 110 dish, and you HAVE to use the Sat-C combiner that comes in the Sat-C kit.
     
  13. Jan 21, 2004 #213 of 1440
    Bigg

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    Ok, that makes sense. And then you go with SAT b/c and a into a 4x?. I get it.
     
  14. Jan 21, 2004 #214 of 1440
    feldon23

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    So you get 3 regular dishes and replace one of the LNBs with the one you get in the Sat-C kit since Sat C (110) is an entirely different type of signal.

    Then you use the combiner to merge the 110 signals into one side of the 119 feed, and plug the 4 wires into the 4x4 multiswitch.
     
  15. Jan 21, 2004 #215 of 1440
    dswallow

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    It's not as easy as that; the SatC mounting is different than regular LNB's; you couldn't just put it on a regular 18" dish LNB arm.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2004 #216 of 1440
    nabsltd

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    Huh? It has different internals for shifting the frequencies so that it can be combined with the Sat-B signals, but the LNB housing is identical in size and shape.
     
  17. Jan 22, 2004 #217 of 1440
    feldon23

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    Nothing a little duct tape won't fix. :)
     
  18. Jan 22, 2004 #218 of 1440
    Darin

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    Is it really? If so, it's a pretty subtle difference, because I never even noticed it. I have a single 30" dish pointed at 101, and a Dish500 dish picking up 110 & 119. For the sake of this post, where I described making the Sat C kit fit on the Dish500, I took this picture to show the difference in the Dishnetwork LNB mount, and the SatC (warning, I never resized that picture, so it's huge). It looks pretty similar to what I remember the regular DirecTV mounts to be. Of course, I lost my memory MANY years ago. :)
     
  19. Jan 22, 2004 #219 of 1440
    Street81

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    I just got TIVO 2 and I my cable company is going to start offering HD broadcasts. I have an HDTV so I can't wait.... The problem is the TIVO, I know it cant record HDTV but will the HD broadcast still work with the TIVO2 hooked up or do I have to unplug the TIVO. Any advice or insight would be Great!!
     
  20. Jan 22, 2004 #220 of 1440
    dswallow

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    I may've been confusing myself... the SatC LNB is different, sitting 1/2" or so further away from the dish, though the LNB feedhorn looks like it might be placed identically. That's what I'd meant, though I originally had thought the feedhorn was slightly differently located as well -- not that the mounting shape was in any manner different.
     

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