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Hatfields & McCoys on The History Channel

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by nyny523, May 22, 2012.

  1. May 29, 2012 #61 of 179
    vertigo235

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    There are tress now, but were there that many trees 150 years ago? A lot of trees can grow in 150 years.

    I remember looking at old photos of my grandfather etc, and their were not many trees around their property at that time.
     
  2. May 29, 2012 #62 of 179
    Jayjoans

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    I was a little disappointed to see it turn into Romeo and Juliet, is the relationship shown based in any fact or is this just a retread of the Montagues and Capulets?

    EDIT: Wikipedia says that there was a relationship between those depicted on the show.
     
  3. May 29, 2012 #63 of 179
    Flop

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    Same thing with a lot of old civil war battlefields. Many battles were fought on clear land that is now covered by trees.
     
  4. May 29, 2012 #64 of 179
    RonDawg

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    It's not a western in the strictest sense (in particular location) but it shares quite a few elements of one. From Wikipedia:

    The bolded part definitely is where Hatfields & McCoys shares a commonality with the typical western. Change the names to say, "Smiths and Joneses" and change the setting to the California Gold Country and story would still make sense.

    You also have to remember at that time, the overwhelming majority of the population still lived along the eastern coast of the US. The area between the Mississippi River and the west coast of the US was one big no-mans-land (at least from the white man's perspective). "Western United States" at that time probably meant anything west of the Appalachians.
     
  5. May 29, 2012 #65 of 179
    Cearbhaill

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    This.
    The Cumberland Gap was only a footpath until Daniel Boone and his merry men used it in their explorations- I don't even think it was wide enough to accommodate a wagon until years later.
    When Kentucky was granted statehood in 1792 it was considered the first state in the "western frontier."
     
  6. May 29, 2012 #66 of 179
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That's why "Mid-West" traditionally refers to Eastern states, and the geographical mid-west of the US is often called "Upper Mid-West" to distinguish it from the Mid-West in the East. ;)
     
  7. May 29, 2012 #67 of 179
    YCantAngieRead

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    I wanted tp watch but knew too late to Tivo.

    Actually, I was hoping it was a documentary. Btut I might enjoy this too.
     
  8. May 29, 2012 #68 of 179
    super dave

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    Check your guide they are repeating the heck out it.
     
  9. May 29, 2012 #69 of 179
    Boston Fan

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    Many people forget (or are not aware of) exactly how many trees were felled in these areas during the Civil War in support of the war effort (or were simply torched). It would make sense that there were more trees 120-150 years after the Civil War than there were in the couple of decades immediately following.
     
  10. May 29, 2012 #70 of 179
    mattack

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  11. May 29, 2012 #71 of 179
    mattack

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    actually, at least on the first two nights, the first airing or two has a slightly odd amount -- a few over 2 hours.. and at least one of the reruns of episode 1 is like 1:50..

    Even though it's very very likely that there's simply EXTRA commercials in these longer airings, I didn't take my chances, and recorded the second airing of part 1.. Whew, most of the late night shows are reruns this week.

    It wasn't the most entertaining thing in the world, but it was good. If I had upgraded my Tivo drive over the weekend, I probably would record it all for later.. As it is, I'm probably going to watch them each night.. (don't have the room to offload them either.)
     
  12. May 30, 2012 #72 of 179
    RonDawg

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    History is repeating Part 1 and Part 2 before they air Part 3 on Wednesday night. All this Costner-esque magnificence starts at 5 PM, but check your local listings.

    The channel best known for Pawn Stars, Top Shot, lumberjacks, and rednecks in swamps I think long abandoned the documentary format to its H2 (formerly known as History International) subchannel, save for the occasional Nazi piece.
     
  13. May 30, 2012 #73 of 179
    cheesesteak

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    After watching episode one, I couldn't help but thinking that Johnse Hatfield beat out Game Of Throne's Jon Snow for the Dumbest Young Man On TV award.

    This was good. Looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
     
  14. May 30, 2012 #74 of 179
    Cearbhaill

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    You're thinking about the big battlefields in Virginia and Pennsylvania. Southeastern Kentucky and adjacent West Virginia is not like that at all.
    I can tell the difference between cleared forest land and plains.
    And clearing trees doesn't change the topography- hills, man.
    Hills. Valleys. You're either walking uphill or downhill.
    It doesn't change the species growing.
    And cleared areas don't just magically stay cleared- undergrowth comes right back at you the next day- I battle it in my own woods. It would take a chain gang on constant duty to keep the verges of those roads as clear as the road near Hatfield's timber operation appeared to be. It is very difficult to keep up with.
    And real logging roads were even worse- they were hardly more than trails.

    The long shots are clearly not KY and WV- that's all I'm saying.
    I can tell the difference.
     
  15. May 30, 2012 #75 of 179
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I guess KY and WY should take pride in the fact that they're too modern to shoot Civil War-era movies in... :D
     
  16. May 30, 2012 #76 of 179
    Steveknj

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    I think yours is a typical problem a lot of us have when a show takes place in an area you're familiar with but is filmed elsewhere. As someone who's familiar with NYC and the surrounding areas, I find the same issues when they film a scene that's suppose to be NY in Vancouver or Toronto. While, yeah, there's BIG BUILDINGS, I can look at the street scape and know it's all wrong. And similarly, a show like The Good Wife which takes place in Chicago but is filmed in NY is laughable to me, as I notice things that are to me obviously NY but is supposed to be Chicago. I remember one scene where they showed a wide shot of them talking on the street and in the background were the subway yards with an obviously NYC subway train coming down the tracks. Must have looked even stranger to someone from Chi-Town.

    Anyway, since I'm not effected by this for H&M, I really enjoyed it. I did have to put on the subtitles to understand some of the lingo. I think it's also a big drawn out. Don't know why, but I find myself rooting for the Hatfields. One, because I think Devil Anse (Costner's character) seems more level headed than Randall McCoy (Bill Paxton's character). Second, I like that the Hatfield Judge seems like a fair sort.

    (Are we allowing spoilers in this thread or should we start another?)
     
  17. May 30, 2012 #77 of 179
    cheesesteak

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    William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield. Anybody have any idea what "Devil Anse" means? I looked him up on wikipedia but the article said nothing about his name.
     
  18. May 30, 2012 #78 of 179
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Anse is short for Anderson (like "Ran'l" is short for Randolph). I think "Devil Anse" was to distinguish him from a relative; Wikipedia talks about "Preacher Anse" who was the judge in the pig case.
     
  19. May 30, 2012 #79 of 179
    markz

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    I don't know the devil part, but "Anse" seems to be an abbreviation of Anderson. There is a "Deacon Anse" or "Preacher Anse" in the family tree too and his name is Anderson.
     
  20. May 30, 2012 #80 of 179
    Cearbhaill

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    I fully realize that this is of no importance to anyone other than me, but this footage is FAR more representative of the topography of that area. Helen Keller could see the difference.

    I think that I feel as if Kentucky has been misrepresented- it is far more beautiful than where ever this show was filmed.
    FAR.
    Clearings are tiny, trees are huge.

    140-150 years ago is nothing- it can't have been all that different.



    I know it is irrelevant.
    If y'all would ignore me I'd stop :p
     

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