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Hate The Pause Ads

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by blam, May 15, 2009.

  1. May 17, 2009 #61 of 190
    bicker

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    Hehe.... interesting observations, but you could go a bit further with some of them: #2 prompts even more people to stick with the cable company provided DVRs, thereby meaning that each TiVo subscriber shoulders a greater burden for supporting TiVo's revenue stream than they would otherwise, meaning, essentially, that the incessant complainers are making it more likely that there will be more invasive advertising. :)
     
  2. May 17, 2009 #62 of 190
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    Until more and more ads are presented to fewer and fewer subscribers until ultimately the the point of diminishing returns is reached and the small pool of advertisers will dry up.
     
  3. May 17, 2009 #63 of 190
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    At which time we'll all be forced back to cable/satellite company-provided DVRs. QED.
     
  4. May 17, 2009 #64 of 190
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    Or.... somebody will wake up and realize that there IS and will always be a market for "the best" product offering "the best" features even if it costs more.

    Yes, TiVo has tried in the past to build its business based on the above premise and has not succeeded. But times have changed. Back a few years ago most people had no idea what a DVR was. Selling into that kind of market is difficult to be sure.

    Heck, years ago most people didn't know what cellular telephones were and couldn't conceive of any reason to buy or lease such a thing for personal use. Now they are prolific, almost everybody knows what they are, and manufacturers can get high prices for many of them because they are perceived as "the best" and offer features that the users have been convinced that they "need" -- even if they don't make phone calls any better than the less expensive ones.

    Today more and more users have been exposed to DVRs. The marketplace is different now. DVRs are becoming more and more of a "necessity" to the modern household. People are able to make meaningful comparisons of products. It just isn't the same as it used to be.

    Given that, there will be more and more customers willing to shell out their cash for the "IPhone"s of the DVR world -- provided that the manufacturers don't shoot themselves in the foot by polluting them with things like advertising.
     
  5. May 17, 2009 #65 of 190
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    More unsubstantiated, self-serving rhetoric. If it isn't true, there is no way anyone can "wake up" and "realize" it, eh? :rolleyes:

    Indeed, they have: If anything, mass-market consumers are even bigger cheapskates than they were ever before.
     
  6. May 17, 2009 #66 of 190
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    Your blustering that it "isn't true" doesn't make it untrue.
     
  7. May 17, 2009 #67 of 190
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    It isn't blustering: It is calling you out on your unsubstantiated assertions. It doesn't make your comments untrue -- it makes them absent of the merit you implied they had.
     
  8. May 17, 2009 #68 of 190
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    So - we've gone from you inferring my statements are untrue

    to well maybe they are true but they have no merit.

    Hogwash.

    Go ahead and get the last word in - you always do - no matter how worthless it is. I'm done arguing with you.
     
  9. May 17, 2009 #69 of 190
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    If you truly believe there is "no market for 'the best' product offering 'the best' features even if it costs more", than please explain for me the success of the IPOD. IPODS are half again to twice as costly as their competing products, yet they outsell the whole industry by large margins. Why is that, exactly?
     
  10. May 17, 2009 #70 of 190
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    Pause is my marriage saver. It allows me to stop the show when somebody interrupts to bring up some point.
     
  11. May 17, 2009 #71 of 190
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    We'll see how Moxi does - the sales of Moxi units and TiVos is currently the only realistic way to measure the public's interest in a stand-alone DVR.

    Based on a decade of DVR history, I simply think that there is not enough of a stand-alone market. Which is really odd to me, but that seems to be how it is.
     
  12. May 17, 2009 #72 of 190
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  13. May 17, 2009 #73 of 190
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    Don't get too happy, Bierboy. I'm done arguing with Bicker (who is now on my ignore list along with some others who's postings I consider worthless rubbish) but far from done expressing my disgust with the ever-growing proliferation of ads on the TiVo UI,;)
     
  14. May 17, 2009 #74 of 190
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    Mostly because they found a great way to incorporate the product (iPod) with an easy to use service (iTMS). They don't really sell on the features of the product, but on the build quality and ease of use (plus great ad campaigns).

    The situation for TV delivery and music delivery is so different though that it's hard to compare the two markets.
     
  15. May 17, 2009 #75 of 190
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    Ask Jonas Ridderstrale, and Kjelle A. Nordstrom.

    And then ask yourself by TiVo wasn't able to do the same thing. (Hint: Look at the bank account of the company behind each product, at the time the product was first introduced.)

    Don't get so excited. I'll believe it when I see it.
     
  16. May 17, 2009 #76 of 190
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    Imagine how much better the world would be if all this energy that's being spent on a disagreement over ads was focused on something more useful... like feeding starving children, protecting battered women, helping homeless animals... etc. etc. etc...

    Lets face it, you cant go anywhere or do anything without seeing or having to deal with ads. Do I like paying $10 to see a movie then have to sit through ads for Coke, Fandango, etc.? Not really no, but I have the option to come in late, aka, 'fast forward' if you will, past those ads. You pay $5 for a magazine and guess what, over 25% of the content is... wait for it... ads! And you're paying to see them!

    Look around your world and ask yourself if this is really that important. If it is, then cancel your Tivo subscription and cancel your tivocommunity.com membership, then move on. It's easy, I do it all the time with things that I don't agree with. There are always other options.

    Peace
     
  17. May 17, 2009 #77 of 190
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    My guess is that the people whining about Tivo's attempt to introduce ads are the same ones that grew up in an entitled world.

    They didn't get up on a Saturday morning and run downstairs to the family TV to watch cartoons because that was the only day they were on.

    I'm pretty much tired of the "me" generation that are only concerned with stupid crap, like hitting the pause button and having an ad appear.

    Is that the only thing they have to worry about? They don't know what they are missing in life.
     
  18. May 17, 2009 #78 of 190
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    You guess wrong - at least in my case.

    When I grew up the TV station didn't come on until noon on Saturday (there was only one). Which didn't matter because most of us didn't have a TV. If we watched it we went to my aunt's house - a popular place on Tuesday night when Uncle Milty was on.

    When I grew up there were no more than four minutes of commercials in a half hour tv show. Most had less.

    Entitled? Not on your life. I wore mostly clothes made by Grandma and they were handed down to my brother when I outgrew them.

    So come up with another theory, mister. You got that one all wrong.

    Or accept the fact that some of us genuinely feel that the ubiquitous ads on the TiVo UI -- for want of a more accurate term -- suck.


    And, oh, we all understand that the use of the term 'whining' by posters without a decent vocabulary is intended to be a put-down. I don't whine, sir, I shout.
     
  19. May 17, 2009 #79 of 190
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    The pause ads drive me crazy. They are bad enough that my wife noticed them and asked why they were there.

    Regarding people mentioning the Moxi, I'm glad the Moxi came... TiVo really needs good competition and they haven't been innovative in years. When I hate something that TiVo does, it's nice to now be able to compare them to a real competitor and not a cable company.
     
  20. May 17, 2009 #80 of 190
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    It will be nice once the Moxi HD DVR becomes competition for the TiVo HD. Right now, it isn't, because it is too expensive.
     

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