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Hardware refresh likely?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by backspaces, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. backspaces

    backspaces New Member

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    Pro it is!

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  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    At this point I can't think of anything TiVo could do, hardware wise, to improve on the Roamio. All the features I want now are software based. The only exception is maybe having a Roamio with built in BD player. Would be nice to have a BD player with a TiVo UI like we did on the old Pioneer S2 unit for DVDs. :)
     
  3. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Any upcoming refresh will be for the Stream and / or Mini.
     
  4. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Are you kidding?

    Nothing can ever really be fast enough. They could have removable drive trays. Flash card slots to store settings on and load stuff. Alphanumeric front display. Built-in tuning adapter (not sure that would fly, since they are not standardized enough). Touch to sync for remotes. NFC for phone/tablet control pairing. HDMI in for PIP with other devices. Dual and simultaneous OTA and cable tuners. Additional (more than 2) USB ports.

    I can think of lots of stuff without trying hard!
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The only thing on that list I might use is simultaneous OTA. Everything else is of no interest to me.

    I will never fill 3TB and if I ever do I can always add on a eSATA so no need for removable drive trays. I'd much rather have PC software to transfer settings via the network then a card slot. I had an OLED display on my S3 and it was never of any use to me. (Show names were too small to read and clock was unnecessary) I don't know what touch to sync for a remote is, but I use a Harmony so it probably wouldn't work. Phone/tablet syncing can just as easily be accomplished via wifi and I don't have to walk up to the box like I would for NFC. I have zero use for PIP. Why would I need more then 2 USB ports?
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    What might be cool is a BD player add-on that attached to the TiVo via USB and allowed you to play BDs without needing a completely separate box. Like that HD-DVD add-on they had for the Xbox 360.
     
  7. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    People still use discs?
     
  8. backspaces

    backspaces New Member

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    I do and I gotta say changing from "input" to "input" on the TV is a pain, even with the TiVo S3's input that has to go through several, one at a time. And the primitive DVD remote is, er, primitive.

    I wonder if it's possible to have a HTMI in - HTMI out where I could use my TiVo to proxy my Apple TV through to the TV. Why? The ATV (and I think other devices like DVD/BD and Roku), I think, have no control over the volume.

    I do love my iPhone/iPad "remote" for ATV and soon for TiVo. Soooo much nicer to search.

    -- Owen
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I consider having an external power supply a huge plus. I wish my Roamio Pro had one.

    I see no reason to have a BD player in the TiVo. BD players are inexpensive now. And all I do is press the touch screen button on my Harmony One labeled "Sony 3D BD" and all inputs needed change and my BD player powers up. When I'm done I press "Roamio Pro" and the BD player powers down and all the inputs change so I'm can view my Roamio Pro again.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I had (still have) a Pioneer S2 TiVo with built in DVD. (it can actually burn DVDs of shows, but never really used that much) The best parts about using it for DVDs were...

    1) Not having to switch inputs on the TV or A/V receiver.

    2) Being able to use 8 second instant replay while watching DVDs.

    I too have a Harmony remote. But with a bit more consolidation I could actually get rid of it and use the TiVo remote for everything. :)
     
  11. anthonymoody

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    Unless you're talking about stolen bd rips, blu ray is the highest quality programming available* and the bigger/better your display the easier it is to see. And yes that includes Vudu HDX and Netflix superhd. There are scores of comparisons on AVS of bd, HDX, iTunes, and Netflix. They take extreme close ups at matched pauses and the differences are very noticeable.

    For those interested in the highest quality, yes, we still use discs.

    *I'm not counting 4K YouTube videos as there is nothing there quite yet in terms of mass media content
     
  12. mr_smits

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    Amazon download of 1080p content isn't the highest quality?

    Good thing I watch my shows, not pause and take extreme close ups!
     
  13. rainwater

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    No. It outputs at 1080p but it is certainly compressed way more than a Blu-ray.
     
  14. moyekj

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    6 Mbps bit rate max for Netflix Super HD streams vs 40-50 Mbps for BD makes quite a difference.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't really see that much difference, but I still own some BDs and need a way to play them. Plus BDs are still cheaper for getting entire seasons of TV shows not available on Netflix. You can usually buy the entire season on BD a lot cheaper then the $2.99/episode they charge on services like Amazon or VUDU.
     
  16. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Yeah I had the Toshiba version with the DVD drive. It was pretty cool and I did burn a few things over to a DVD that I wanted to archive. It would be pretty cool with a bluray writer integrated.
     
  17. Dan203

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    The biggest problem with a BD writer is that the encoding formats commonly used for HD broadcasts are not always compatible with the BD specification. Back in the old S2 days everything was being transcoded on the fly so they could guarantee compatibility with the DVD spec. But with these new TiVos everything recorded as-is so they'd be depending on the broadcasters to transmit BD compatible encodes, which couldn't be guaranteed.

    Although I wonder if they could use the transcoder chip in the Stream hardware to transcode to a complaint format? Actually the main Broadcom chip they use in the Plus/Pro has built in H.264 transcoding, so maybe they could use that instead and leave the Stream part alone.

    Alright TiVo we gave you the idea just let us know when you need some beta testers. :D
     
  18. backspaces

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    Totally agreed. My first TiVo was a Toshiba and I constantly gave friends DVDs of nifty shows .. back in the day when they weren't available on NetFlix, Amazon, etc.

    I'm going to disconnect our DVD player and not tell the wife! .. and hook up a Google TV adapter!

    -- Owen
     
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm trying to convince my wife to let me disconnect the Pioneer TiVo. She doesn't really use it for TV anymore, but she says she still uses it for DVDs. We have a PS3 for DVDs and BDs, but she says she can't figure out how to use it. I'm getting an XBox One next month that will be replacing the PS3 for BD duty. Maybe it'll be easy enough for her to use.
     
  20. backspaces

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    OK, as much as I *really* appreciate the chat, I gotta 'nother question:

    How am I going to transfer my S3 HD shows to the Roamio?

    I've seen these two threads:
    Moving shows from an old TiVo to a new one? http://goo.gl/sf2eQw
    Transfering shows to Roamio Pro from HD http://goo.gl/tf7FcN

    But I've got around 1TB to transfer. Is it certain I can just use a cross-over cable and it "just works"? There have been pluses and minuses for each technique.

    I wish I understood why TiVo doesn't have a "Migration Assistant". Sigh.
     

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