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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. squint

    squint New Member

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    Yep.
     
  2. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Multi-reply:

    The WD AV-GP is what most go with. It's what TiVo uses, in the models they use WD drives in. They started using Seagate AV low-power drives in Roamio basics, which are just another brand AV 24/7 "green" drive.

    The WD Purple has no track record yet. It's a new product. I know of one person who has used one in a TiVo, but only to develop a free 4TB upgrade path.

    The first incarnation of the WD Red NAS, was terrible, and highly incompatible with a great many things. They fixed that with the second generation, and just released a third generation of it.

    If you want the combination of: best price, best warranty, 24/7 "rating", and best track record for use in TiVos, just get the WD AV-GP (AV-GreenPower).

    Let somebody else run a WD Purple for long enough to see how it holds up. Better yet, wait until many people have used it and reported good results, after a substantial length of time.

    EDIT/ADD: Here's the drive (WD30EURX 3TB AV-GP), from the place I always buy from (NewEgg), where it goes on sale for as low as $119.99, about once a month. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236602
    Ignore any links to "newer version available", and if you want different sizes, select the size from the right side of the screen.
     
  3. clouduser1

    clouduser1 New Member

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    thanks a bunch for your reply, ill checkout newegg periodically. The world cup killed my storage :)
     
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Make sure to subscribe to their email promos. Without them, you often can't get the super-low prices, because some promo codes only work if subscribed for emails, and the best deals often are codes that are unique to the subscriber's email address. If you don't feel like setting up filtering to keep the clutter out of your inbox, use something other than your main email address.

    If you like NewEgg, check into the yearly subscription for Premier Benefits. It's like Amazon Prime, but much cheaper, plus getting you faster shipping than the standard free shipping, no restocking fees, and no-cost return shipping. My membership paid for itself with my first order (seriously). I also get member only codes, and deals, plus an exclusive no-wait toll-free number to customer service, which will sometimes result in being able to get things done, outside policy, as a courtesy. Too many great things to list!
     
  5. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I bought my WD30EURX 3TB at Best Buy for about $117, so you may want to check there as well.
     
  6. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's impressive, considering the lowest Newegg price to date has been $114.99, as a shell-shocker deal.

    Buying locally, and paying sales tax (or calculating it before committing), should be a factor. Sales tax here is ~7.75%, which would be $9.07 in tax, making that price $126.07. Might as well buy from a reseller that doesn't add tax, and has free shipping, unless "you just gotta have that drive right now".

    The other thing that stands-out is I have yet to see any 3TB EURX or EURS drives at my local stores. But, they have the non-AV 2yr warranty 3TB EZRX for that price, when they bother to stock the shelves. The online inventory never matches with what's in the stores here, either...

    I'm kind of spoiled in snagging the deals, and getting the drive delivered the next business day, with Premier membership shipping. OTOH, before they started that program, the standard free shipping still got here that fast , most of the time.
     
  7. bmgoodman

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    I don't trust NewEgg with hard drives as I've had several shipped in just a plastic "clam-shell" case, rattling around in a huge box half-filled with peanuts. Sure, they worked, but it's hard to tell if they're going to manifest latent problems. Granted, it's been a few months since I asked their customer service, but the last time I asked they would NOT guarantee that they'll be shipped in "appropriate" packaging. (I do use NewEgg often for other equipment.)

    Finally, I'll pay a few dollars more for a local store because DOA drives can be easily and quickly returned. (I've heard that the latest WD Reds have a high "infant mortality" rate with many either DOA or dead in a week.) Not that I'm recommending Red drives for Tivo use.
     
  8. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Newegg stopped shipping like that, quite a while back. Their current packaging is better than WD's, IMO, and I have not seen a packing peanut in any box from Newegg, in something like what seems a year.

    Both desktop and laptop drives are shipped in a special air-mattress packaging, designed for drives, there is no moving around. Each is snugly enclosed in a small box, multiple drives are shipped in multiple boxes, inside a larger box, and any room inside the box is filled with air-filled pillow-pak packaging. They went from being the worst reseller, when it came to shipping drives, to the best I am aware of. Their customer service was good before I became a Premiere member. Now, I don't have to hold, and have not had anything but the best interactions with them.

    If everybody insists on posting about some past bad experience(s), I can't stop it, and it's pointless for me to say more than I already have.
     
  9. clouduser1

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    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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  12. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    For TiVo use it makes no difference, but each to their own opinion.
     
  13. dianebrat

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    Exactly, the AV drive has some command extensions Tivo doesn't use, a ton of folks here use the straight Green and have no issues other than the old WDIDLE reset a few years ago.
     
  14. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Actually now that everyone's talking about it, I think that the one I got from BB was an EZRX. That may explain the price.
     
  15. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    By using an AV drive, you get PWL (preemptive wear leveling). This involves the drive firmware sweeping the heads across the entire surface of the platters, beyond just the surface area the data tracks are on, at timed intervals.

    This helps to eliminate issues when an event causes the drive to move the heads to an area that has not been accessed during use, or not accessed for a long time. It's especially helpful when one pulls power from the TiVo, after the drive has been running for a long time, and it will attempt to park the heads onto the loading ramp. Without PWL, the chances of a drive that has been operating perfectly, never operating again after certain events, is increased.

    What some get confused about, when it comes to PWL, is that it's not about wear leveling the platters, heads, or sectors. It wear levels the pivot point of the head actuator, and keeps the lubricant evenly distributed, as well as the wear.

    If one never unplugs the TiVo, keeps it on battery backup (UPS), which keeps the heads limited to the data tracks, limiting the movement of the head actuator, the odds of the drive not spinning up again, after being losing power (for any reason), is greatly increased.

    To keep bickering to a minimum, I'll stick to this as the greatest benefit of AV drives, over other drives. PWL is operational, regardless of whether or not the streaming feature of an AV drive is being used.
     
  16. rnopelo

    rnopelo New Member

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    I previously had a 2TB drive in a Tivo Series 3 HDTV DVR. The Series 3 is retired and I removed the 2TB drive from it. I now have a base Roamio. Can I put the 2TB drive in the Roamio as is, or would I need to do some kind of reformatting before installing it in the Roamio? If so, what steps would I need to take to prep the drive for the Roamio?

    Thanks.
     
  17. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Use the WD diag (or any other program) to do a quick erase of the drive, then just put the drive into the Roamio and set the system up.
     
  18. telemark

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    The only things that require special attention are drives that came out of a Roamio which need to blanked or drives that are greater than 3TB which need to be preformatted / imaged.

    While you have the drive accessible, take the time to test it (manufacturers util or at minimum SMART) and set any parameters. (what model is it?)
     
  19. rnopelo

    rnopelo New Member

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    Telemark, the drive is a 2TB WD20EURS. I had it my Series3 for about 10 months of service time.
     
  20. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Use the WD diag program (free) to do a quick erase and the drive will now work in your Roamio.
     

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