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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. CoxInPHX

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    Did you test the new HDD with any Diagnostic Utilities prior to putting it into the Roamio?
     
  2. Adam1115

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    I'm certain that is it, but Microcenter didn't have any av drives. It's no big deal I'll just use esata.
     
  3. lessd

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    Are you sure the drive was blank, not per formatted for windows or anything.
     
  4. telemark

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    My predictions:
    Roamios will erase any drive that is put in, except Roamio formatted drives
    Overdemand (drive not spinning up) conditions have so far resulted in hangs, instead of reboots.
    The eSata port can not be used as a primary drive. You'd have to connect a drive to the internal Sata port first.
     
  5. Adam1115

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    Yes but it doesn't even spin up. It starts to and the box reboots immediately.
     
  6. yukit

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    I did this with my Roamio Plus. 3TB green drive directly out of a Windows box (NTFS partitions) into the Plus. It just worked.

    Another 3TB drive was on its way to my house, but I wanted to get the new Tivo going ASAP.
     
  7. ncbill

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    pay a little more and order a 3TB WD AV-GP drive online.

     
  8. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I agree. The minor difference in price buys you a 3 year warranty, instead of 2 year for non-AV, when it comes to WD. If you want to buy Seagate, I still recommend the AV drive, which likely also has a longer warranty, and a better power profile.

    My tune was a little different before the price differences became so marginal.
     
  9. Adam1115

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    Minor difference is driving accross town, returning it, ordering it online, waiting 2-3 days, repairing the cablecards.

    Not worth it, I'm fine with esata.
     
  10. FitzAusTex

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    If I intend to use a previously Roamio-formatted 3TB WD30EURX drive I had used in a now defective Roamio, do I need to do anything special to use it in another Roamio?

    I performed "Clear and Delete Everything", but is that enough, or will the new Roamio still see previous Roamio info on the WD30EURX and it not work properly? I've transfered service to the new Roamio, but 19 hours later, and countless forced connections to the Tivo service, and activation is still not complete.

    Wondering if the fact that the WD30EURX had been in another Roamio is causing the activation issue?

    EDIT: well I put in the 500gb that came with the Roamio, ran guided setup, and the Roamio is fine, but when I put back in the WD30EURX, I'm back to "please activate service".

    Any input regarding this would be fantastic.
     
  11. poppagene

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    WD Desktop Mainstream Intellipower SATA 6.0Gb drives are usually green power EzRX drives (although they're not marked as such on the box). They're probably as cheap as the seagate and I know they will power up in a roamio. Not as good as a AV-GP but going e-sata is a losing proposition. Microcenter has a pretty good policy on returns.
     
  12. telemark

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    I don't know if this is the problem but if you want to try something else...

    If you erase (zero out) the first 64 blocks of a Roamio drive, this is enough to make the Roamio to consider it blank, and it will reformat the drive the next time it boots.

    On Premiere, C&DE is enough to move drives between different boxes.
     
  13. Adam1115

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    Those aren't AV drives but I'd rather stick my seagate in an esata chassis than put another western digital in any device.
     
  14. FitzAusTex

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    This is what I was planning, but I'm going to have to obtain an enclosure, and hope that what my mac allows me to format it as (mac os, fat, or exfat) will cause the Roamio to format the drive. Anyone have an opinion which mac reformat option I should try, and if it will even work with these mac options?
     
  15. jmbach

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    I believe OSX disk utility has an erase disk option also if you open up a terminal window you can us dd commands.
     
  16. jmbach

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    The problem is that you will probably have to purchase an approved WD drive extender to add the eSata drive at this time. In which case you are limited to 1TB. Ever since the TiVo HD, TiVo has restricted what eSata drives can be connected to the TiVo. In the near future we should be able to add any eSata drive like WK does if development continues.

    I would recommend to exchange the drive for one that works. You just need to look for a drive that uses less power. Check the specs on Seagate for your current drive and see what drives are available to you locally that use less power. Since we know WD AV-GP drives work, find something with that power rating.
     
  17. nooneuknow

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    If you think just dropping your Seagate drive into an external enclosure with eSATA support is going to work, you are in for a rude awakening. Unless you buy a TiVo approved, up to 1TB DVR expander drive, made by WD, it will not work. You can buy non-approved expander drives through weaknees, which are somehow made to work using their secrets. But, they only come paired with an internal drive. You can't just "will it to work". Last I checked, there was also no option to only use eSATA, without a drive installed inside, not even through weakness. In some cases, which I think this is one, Weaknees may require that they have your TiVo on-site, in order for their non-approved expanders to get married to your board, and the external drive.

    People have kept trying to help you, and you just keep saying "Nah, I'm just going to do it this way, using this drive" (paraphrasing, of course).

    If you don't stop dismissing what people are trying to tell you, and dismissing their recommendations, you will likely find yourself on your own.

    Maybe your posts just could have been written in a manner that isn't so dismissive. Maybe you have one thing in your mind, but the way you post it comes across wrong. In good faith, just like all of this post, I implore you to either stop being so dismissive (and just do whatever you want, if you absolutely must try, and fail, first), or post something that might clear things up with others who see your posts in the same light I do.

    The only scenario I see eSATA working as the only drive, is to swap the board connectors of the SATA/eSATA ports around, inside the TiVo. This is possible on some models, but I'm not sure about all of them. It's still a substantial risk to take, if you value what you record. I'll admit that I've toyed with the idea, in the past, mostly curious to know if it would work, and work well. The TiVo, seeing that eSATA drive as on the internal port, will not have the safeguards in place that exist for eSATA drives, on the true designated eSATA port.

    If it works well, by some chance, I could see the possibility of using an external raid array, with it's own designated hardware raid system, so long as it reports back something the TiVo will accept for the drive model (the array must be seen as a single drive, TTBOMK). I don't think this will really achieve much. But it's an interesting concept (as a curiosity, alone).
     
  18. Adam1115

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    Thank you, I wasn't aware of that.

    I'm not dismissing anything, I appreciate the info about esata. The old Series 3 had a code that allowed me to install a generic esata drive. I didn't know that changed.

    I am dismissing replacing the internal drive because it's already set up and paired, I don't want to replace the drive now. I would have if I could've picked it up and done it the day I installed it but it's too late for that. I'll buy an approved esata drive. Not worth any more hassle.

    What? No, I mean, I'm leaving the factory 500 GB drive in which is up and running and I'll expand it later with esata. In other words, I just decided replacing the internal drive wasn't worth the brain damage and trying multiple drives, etc. No big deal, thanks for the info!
     
  19. tim1724

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    The original Series 3 (OLED model) is the only TiVo model which allows you to attach any arbitrary eSATA drive. Beginning with the TiVo HD (the revised version of the Series 3 without the OLED display) it was locked down to only allow approved devices. (A small set of Western Digital drive enclosures.)
     
  20. CharlesH

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    What happened with the original Series 3 is that an internal development setting allowing arbitrary eSata drives somehow ended up in the production model, and sophisticated early adopters took advantage of this. Rather than alienate these early adopters, TiVo publicly (through representatives authorized to speak for the company in this forum) said that they specifically would not close the hole for the original Series 3, but all subsequent models would be locked down. The enclosure itself has some settings that the TiVo can query. I have not done the search, but I recall that there was quite a bit of discussion about this on TivoCommunity forums when the Series3 came out.
     

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