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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Jun 9, 2014 #1781 of 3265
    DB_0673

    DB_0673 New Member

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    When I upgraded my tivoHD 5 years ago, I did not have to do anything about re-pairing the cable card. I just followed the procedure and installed the new larger hd and it worked
    Now with the Romio, if it has been running for a month with the stock HD and I upgrade to a larger 2TB HD, will I have a cable card issue or when it reboots and whatever else happens, will it work. I read 25 pages on this forum so far, and not sure of this question.

    Thanks in advance
    Dan
     
  2. Jun 9, 2014 #1782 of 3265
    jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

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    When you updated the TiVo HD, you probably copied the drive to a new larger drive and expanded it. This preserved the cableCARD pairing. We currently do not have that option for the Roamio so you will lose the pairing information. This is true for the Motorola M-Cards. Not sure about Scientific Atlantic cards.
     
  3. Jun 9, 2014 #1783 of 3265
    austinsho

    austinsho New Member

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    I just wanted to say thanks to everyone here in this monster thread for the info about upgrading. I'm just about to leave DirecTV and my last TiVo was a Series 2, the HR20-250. Now, it looks like I'm going to Time Warner we all know what THEIR boxes are like. So getting back into TiVo and upgrading the drive is Job 1.

    I've read through most of the thread today, but must have missed the issue with pairing. Are we saying that after upgrading, to get the premium channels we need to call the cable company and ask them to repair the card with our boxes? Sorry, but I missed this somewhere.

    It's been literally years since I've posted here. It's good to be back.
     
  4. Jun 9, 2014 #1784 of 3265
    lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I'm on Comcast (Moto cable card) system and set up my first Roamio Plus with the original drive and paired the cable card to make sure all worked, after about a week of working as a test I upgraded the Roamio to 3Tb and expected to have to re-pair the cable card, but the V val was not a ? and all the HBO etc ch came in, so the pairing info may be in the flash part of the Roamio Plus OS, this was just my experience.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2014 #1785 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I can confirm the same for SA/Cisco cablecards.

    I've confirmed it at least six times, since trying different drives in my base Roamios.

    Some relevant data on pre-Roamio models of TiVo:
    Even with a sector-by-sector clone of a TiVo HD drive, or a Premiere drive, I had to re-pair, after placing the clone in (even if it was the same model and size drive) after the cablecards had been flashed to a newer firmware, than the days when I didn't have to re-pair (about two cc firmware updates back).

    I've been chastised, in the past, for suggesting that one of the cablecard firmware revisions started verifying the drive was the same. Some have said it's impossible for the card to know, or there's no way for it to get that data.

    Even if a direct mechanism doesn't exist for the cablecard to tell the drive's serial number has changed, I'm convinced something is allowing it to know (perhaps some mechanism within the TiVo itself, which may have been something TiVo was required to have in place).

    Edit/Add: It's entirely possible that some cable markets still don't employ whatever technique (I suspect) is being used to detect the drive's serial number has changed, and killing the pairing authorization. I'm in a market that makes little use of the CCI-bit protection, but may be making up for that by insuring the pairing data only works with the drive and card in-place during pairing.

    I've also noticed that the few CCI-bit protected recordings I wind up with, become unable to play back if the card is removed, or another is put in its place (paired or not paired). The TiVo error will say that no signal was available, even though I'd previously watched the content before.

    I've read posts of people inquiring about filling up one drive, then placing in another, and wanting to know if the first drive will still operate and play the content. I suspect the reasons why anybody would want to do this (besides keeping a "porn drive"), would be the same reasons that (some) cable operators (or markets) don't want pairing data to survive a drive swap.

    I've asked a few of the people I look up to, as experts, if they could just isolate exactly where the pairing data is, and back up just that data, and make a way to restore just that data. So far, nobody seems to have seen the value of it, just doesn't understand why I'd want that, or just doesn't want to take the time and make the effort to try.

    Maybe that will change soon. Even if it doesn't prove useful, it might at least prove some systems are actively nuking cloned pairing authentications.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2014 #1786 of 3265
    jmbach

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    Curious. I am on Charter. Now granted, I did not pop out my drive and let the Roamio reformat a new one as I was working on a 4TB upgrade, but when I went back from my 4TB to my original drive I had to re-pair the cableCARD to the unit because my Data ID changed (the other values remained the same) and my validation value was a ?. I was able to get all of my non premium channels and some of my premium channels with the card in the state. After I called Charter and had the cableCARD paired back up, my validation value was a v and I got all my premium channels. Not sure if our difference is due to different cable companies and the methods they employ validating the cableCARDs or because I did not allow the unit to format the new drive.
     
  7. Jun 9, 2014 #1787 of 3265
    lessd

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    Did you remove the cable card from the TiVo at any time in your work?, and the 4Tb drive may have mess up the cable card pairing, as I just went from the original TiVo drive directly to a blank 3Tb drive and did not have to re-pair the cable card, with the Comcast special Cable card number pairing is no big deal anyways.
     
  8. DB_0673

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    thanks for the thought, but no I just replaced/added a larger internal HD. It started out fresh and nothing but the OS (that Tivo loaded ) was on it. I don't think I had to re-pair it then, just worked.


    by the way, Tivo still shows that I have the original small size HD when I log into my account or speak to them, so they did not get the info about the HD change from the machine
    Dan
     
  9. DB_0673

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    I am planning to follow the good advice here and upgrade to the
    WD AV-GP WD20EURX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive. But while I was on Newegg looking at the drive they suggested a newer version made for 24/7.

    WD Purple WD20PURX 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236661
    Any thoughts on this as one?
    Dan
     
  10. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Get the EURX, that's what Tivo installs. But it really doesn't matter.
     
  11. DB_0673

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    ok, thanks
    Dan
     
  12. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10127194#post10127194
     
  13. DB_0673

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    thanks for the link. I admit that I don't fully understand all the technical stuff and was glad to see you say "bad for Tivo users"

    That's what I needed

    Dan
     
  14. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I can't truly say "Bad for TiVo users". I can say "untested and unproven for TiVo use", WD's specs not making it sound like it has anything extra to add to TiVos (due to the recording/playback methods TiVo uses for AV content), WD's marketing/specs making it sound like not an ideal single-drive solution, and the "new product factor".

    If I had any inkling there was anything better about it, for TiVo uses, or use in a TiVo, I'd consider trying them, and consider asking others to give it a try.

    I'd rather keep an eye on the reviews. WD has been getting a lot of black eyes in reviews lately, especially on DOAs, and non DOAs which fail soon after testing and installing...

    If these drives seem to be faring better than this trend with the other models (WD Red NAS & WD AV-GP included), I might try one, verify it works properly in a TiVo, then consider passing that data along, so others can make the best informed decisions.

    "New isn't always better". Sometime the best-case scenario/result is nothing gained, but nothing lost. Sometimes the worst-case is recommending a new product, then finding out it came with its very own new issues.
     
  15. DB_0673

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    Again thanks,, I would never hold anyone to suggestions they make. I appreciate the info that knowledgeable users provide on the forums. The choice will still be mine and I am responsible for the outcomes. The forums give me a much better chance of "getting it right" than choosing in the blind.
    Dan
     
  16. CloudAtlas

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    @Dan Skip the 2TB and go for the 3TB drive which the Roamio Pro ships with. This gets you another 150 hours of record time for an extra $25. Over 5 years that's an extra $5/yr. Will also help resell value.

    Roamio Pro: Up to 450 HD / 3000 SD hours recording capacity (3TB)

    Amazon has the Western Digital 3 TB WD AV-GP SATA III Intellipower 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM AV Hard Drive WD30EURX for ~$125.
     
  17. DB_0673

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    Set up my new Roamio Plus yesterday, Unfortunately, my 3TB hard drive shipped to my work address instead of home so I could put the new HD in before I activated it.

    Today I installed the Hard drive and ran back through all the setup.

    Lost all my premium stations. I called Comcast and they tried re-pairing the card. didnt work. She just kept saying "Its Red" whatever that means...

    her solution is to try swapping the cable card. so I guess I'll head over to a Comcast place on Monday and swap it out and see if that works.

    BTW, Installed the Western Digital "RED" Nas drive. Located in the South Chicago Suburbs.
     
  19. FitzAusTex

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    Hoping for some quick help. Planning on buying the WD30EURX from Amazon today. Description says no cables included. Will I need to order cables (and what kind)? My base Roamio currently has the stock 500gb Seagate drive. Thanks!
     
  20. cherry ghost

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