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I was wondering how long it would take for your next carbon-copy post to appear...Or just buy a cheaper and same power use WD Green and save a few bucks. It will last just as long.
There is no proof that an AV-GP drive is any better than a Green in a Tivo, nor is there any proof favoring the Green. None.
As I have been trying to correct for, myself, I politely suggest you add "low-current spinup" (which WD calls intellipower), to your parameters. Many here have had it drilled into their minds, that intellipower simply means 5400 RPM, and/or any 5400/5900 RPM drive will do (still not always true, even if labeled "green" & 5400/5900 RPM).The best one can do is use a drive with low power and low heat, 5400rmo to 5900rpm drives should meet this requirement, one should not use say a 15000 rpm drive or a SSD for TiVo use.
Take a look at the Denon 4520 Receiver which is still it's flagship untill the upper end Atmos receiver is released next year for $3K. The 4520 was $2500 when it was released two years ago, but it is only around $1K on closeout now. Accessories4less has new and refurbs. I picked up a refurb from them this Summer for $1300. If I had known the new ones would be going for $1K I would have waited. They are also an authorized Denon seller. The 4520 was a big upgrade in sound from the 2008 Denon 3808 I replaced. The 4520 has nine built-in amps and can handle up to 11.2 processing.( with an external two channel amp)I've started hunting for a new AV receiver to replace my 15 year old one (among other issues it has no HDMI). It seems the majority of AV receivers have moved to Class-D (PWM) amplifiers and switching power supplies. Most switching supplies will work with a wide range of input voltages and frequencies.
Having said that the couple of higher end receivers I'm looking at list power as 120 V at 60 Hz. I'm not sure if that is simply keeping the manual short for the US or if the the power supply voltages and frequencies are limited.
Either way there is no switch to set power supply voltage on the receivers I've looked at so far.
- Dan
The Backblaze data is interesting. It shows an extrapolated MTBF of about 6 years or roughly 50,000 hours. Which is reasonably consistent with the Google data.More recently, Backblaze posted some data:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/
Since Tivo doesn't use the AV features of the extra-cost drives, why bother with them? Pretty obvious to me that the rest is just marketing, but I'll grant you that the extra 1-year of warranty is worth something, as is the fact that Tivo is using them.I was wondering how long it would take for your next carbon-copy post to appear...
Since you can't be bothered to say more than your usual bait, which usually kicks-off the next battle here, or even be bothered to mention the 1yr difference in warranty, which I'm not the only member to feel is worth mentioning (for those who don't know), I won't bother to do more than to bring up the warranty, and state your "no proof" arguments apply to what you say, as well (especially so, given some pretty obvious facts & factors, about how short of a time four and six tuner DVRs, especially TiVos, have even been on the market, available to buy, and how long it has been since people upgraded their drives in them).
That's the rise you get. The thread should be fun (the opposite of), now that links to the studies on drives, also controversial, and highly debated, have been posted... Blech...
It is a bit ironic, that even back when this thread was started, I was one of the most proactive members, telling people not to spend the extra money, just to get an AV drive, since TiVo doesn't use the AV ATA Streaming command set features. At the time, I had just as many detractors/naysayers, as I do now.Since Tivo doesn't use the AV features of the extra-cost drives, why bother with them? Pretty obvious to me that the rest is just marketing, but I'll grant you that the extra 1-year of warranty is worth something, as is the fact that Tivo is using them.
So yeah, given the nominal price diff and extra warranty length there's no real reason not to get the AV drives unless you're really cheap or get a great deal on a Green (you don't see deals on the AVs). Just saying that there is no real proof that one is better than the other in a Tivo, so the WD Greens are a decent alternative.
I've currently have a Denon AVR-4800 I purchased in 1999 (I think). The lack of HDMI is only one issue; center channel is noisy and the subwoofer output has failed. All fixable if I'm willing to put the effort in or spend the money to get someone to do it for me. Or I can use it as a 2 channel (or bi-amped 2 channel) setup for music.Take a look at the Denon 4520 Receiver which is still it's flagship untill the upper end Atmos receiver is released next year for $3K. The 4520 was $2500 when it was released two years ago, but it is only around $1K on closeout now. Accessories4less has new and refurbs. I picked up a refurb from them this Summer for $1300. If I had known the new ones would be going for $1K I would have waited. They are also an authorized Denon seller. The 4520 was a big upgrade in sound from the 2008 Denon 3808 I replaced. The 4520 has nine built-in amps and can handle up to 11.2 processing.( with an external two channel amp)
Nope, not Dan Miller. Correct last initial but wrong last name.This must be the infamous Dan Miller? Hi Dan, long time no talk bro!
Wow that's strange! He worked for D&M as well.Nope, not Dan Miller. Correct last initial but wrong last name. - Dan
I worked at Supra, Diamond Multimedia, S3 and SONICblue. That's 10 years and 1 month in a single job. Two purchases and one rename during the period.Wow that's strange! He worked for D&M as well.
Very, very cool Mr. PaperClip!PS. If any one really wants to figure it out -- Google "Dan PaperClip". I should be one of the first couple of hits, look for the word processor. Though that was a very long time ago.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE QUICK CAUTIONNo no. Bad, very very Bad.
12V only!!
What you really want is a power supply rated at the same voltage but at a higher amperage than the stock unit.Well, so far the install of a 3gig seems to have gone reasonably well. Finding the 3 clips on each side of the top of the Roamio BASIC case was the challenging aspect. Don't want to break anything!
Okay, had to reattach the left rail since it installs upsidedown.
Now loading whatever on initiation.
Oh, ADVICE wanted. I saw a series of references to providing a more powerful power supply. With a variety of older power supplies, I grabbed one from an older IBM laptop.
.............. Warned that the following specs were DEFINITELY WRONG ..................
( I hope that I did not go overboard as I recall reading that most devices only draw what they need. The one I hooked up (now if I can read it) is:
OUTPUT 16V, 3.36A
Comments? )
............. Ignore my poor substitution above ..........
It is scanning my Antenna channels. So, so far, so good.
Thanks for the support and information I found in this thread and in varous threads.
edited to add: I can breathe - there's room to expand my chest. I now have 477 HD HOURS.
Also, re-transferred my Season Passes thanks again to kmttg
Look at the power consumption on that: 10.5 watts. The WD40EURX is about half that and much closer to TiVo's OEM drives. The Seagate drive will be hotter in the case and may exceed power supply limits. -- DougAnyone have any thoughts on this Seagate 4TB drive. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A45JFJS/?tag=cl03f-20
I know that I'd need to do some linux work to get the 4 TB drive working.
I believe based on previous reports you need to upgrade your power supply as well with these drives.with PROMO CODE EXLWWPE22 if you don't mind the 2yr. warranty instead of 3yrs. w/the AV/GP mdl., WD40EURX for $183.95.
Note that some of those Intellipower drives ran at 5000 rpm, but they did all run at constant final speed.As I have been trying to correct for, myself, I politely suggest you add "low-current spinup" (which WD calls intellipower), to your parameters. Many here have had it drilled into their minds, that intellipower simply means 5400 RPM, and/or any 5400/5900 RPM drive will do (still not always true, even if labeled "green" & 5400/5900 RPM).
There are drives, like HGST/Hitachi (to name just one brand), that market as "green", "energy efficient", "low power requirements", "5400RPM/5900RPM", or all of these things, yet require more than the rated output of the base Roamio wall-wart, at spinup. One such drive I looked into recently (4TB), would even be pushing the limits of units with internal power supplies.
While most TiVo users will likely have very few spin-up cycles in their future, via planned unplug, or via power-outage, it would suck to later find the drive has increased requirements with age (tends to happen), and will no longer spin-up.
ETA: I also suggest that it's best to go with "5400/5900", or "5400 & 5900" rather than using "-" or "to", which only helps keep some people thinking variable spindle speed drives exist.
If your usual logic of every drive feature being a fancy name for a shortcoming, or that it is just BS, is true, then all the enterprise-class drives with programmable levels of low-current spin-up are all just a bunch of cheap junk, too. I bet they really saved a ton of money by making such drives.Note that some of those Intellipower drives ran at 5000 rpm, but they did all run at constant final speed.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article786-page2.html
http://ettcweb0.aa0.netvolante.jp/tips/WdcAADS00S9B0.html
Intellipower is a way WD can put in a smaller/cheaper spindle motor so they can make more profit. The motor in an Intellipower drive isn't powerful enough to spin the platter(s) up from 0 rpm all by itself. Intellipower is nothing more than a simple speed controller circuit. Rather than trying to immediately get to 5000/5400 rpm, the speed controller limits the initial speed then increases it over the next few seconds. It only takes three seconds or so to get it up to full speed. During this time, the drive is inaccessible. But the BIOS is performing its own startup sequence while this is going on, and that takes longer, so this process is invisible. It's actually rather ingenious.
A side benefit of this is lower startup current and a fancy marketing term to invent and put into the datasheet. You can also add the terms "variable speed" and "energy saving". If you did something to cheapen your product, you might as well flaunt it and make it look like a feature.
The 4 TB hard drives might indeed have a startup current concern since their platters should be heavier. The capacitors in the Tivo power supply might be able to provide enough temporary power for the spindle motor to start up -- or not. You don't know unless you try it.
Is that true even with the Roamio Plus/Pro?I believe based on previous reports you need to upgrade your power supply as well with these drives.