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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 22, 2013 #141 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I agree with you Dan, this is likely a move to make their MSOs happy. Retail consumers getting this benefit is just a bonus... because even with it being this easy, 90% of customers won't attempt it.
     
  2. Aug 22, 2013 #142 of 3265
    PaulNEPats

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    With the weaknees $40 off coupon, why not just grab the pro model over the plus?
     
  3. Aug 22, 2013 #143 of 3265
    ncbill

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    I think I would stick with the Seagate Pipeline "AV" series for an upgrade since it is used in the Basic (and I assume the other models)

    Hope someone can figure out how to use the 4TB Seagate Pipeline drive since those are available for around $200 and should result in around 600(!) hours.

    Of course, the Western Digital "AV-GP" drives seem to be the same price in 2TB & 3TB capacities, so if you have more confidence in that brand...
     
  4. Aug 22, 2013 #144 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Here is a summary of the posts made so you dont have to go through and read them all. I will also add this to the first post in the thread.

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  5. Aug 22, 2013 #145 of 3265
    Am_I_Evil

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    here's to hoping someone tries a 3TB (and even better a 4TB) to see how those work (in a plus would be nice since that's what i've ordered lol)

    almost ordered a 3TB but decided to wait and see 4TB results...
     
  6. Aug 22, 2013 #146 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    The Plus uses the Av-GP drive.
     
  7. Aug 22, 2013 #147 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    There's two lines (or more) of Red drives: NAS & Enterprise are the two I know. I can see where the latter may become an issue. The former has a programmable TLER, which can be tweaked to suit the environment you use it in. It adjusts how long the drive can dwell on an error before moving on.

    As far as weaknees... Maybe they booted the TiVo with the stock drive, then analyzed the drive, copied it to a larger one, then expanded it, and it worked, and are now about to find out they did it all for nothing....

    Only time, and many more pioneers willing to open their TiVos, will tell.
     
  8. Aug 22, 2013 #148 of 3265
    Dan203

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    That's what I did. But kinda wish I'd known about this before I did. There is a $185 difference between the Plus and the Pro with the respective coupons. A 3TB drive is only $130 on Amazon and when you're done you have an extra 1TB drive.

    Oh well, an extra $55 isn't going to kill me and this way I can buy the extended warranty and not feel guilty if something breaks and I need to use it.
     
  9. Aug 22, 2013 #149 of 3265
    Goober96

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    Good question. The $40 off definitely makes buying the Pro and not having to open the box worth it.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2013 #150 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    I would advise everyone to calm down a bit until we get confirmation that:

    a. This works as intended w/no problems.

    b. It works on the plus.

    It beggars belief that TiVo would think they could get away with this, but I suppose they have done stranger things. At the very least, I suspect they will be more aggressive in enforcing the "cracking the case voids the warranty" rule.

    Looking at weaKnees, if the only difference between the Plus and the Pro is drive size, I am at a loss to understand why anyone would pay $599 for a Pro when you can get a Plus with a 3TB drive for $569.

    In any case, I still see a need for DIY tools for doing after use upgrades and failing drive replacements. Of course if it automatically formats a drive if it senses a change in hd s/n, then...never mind.

    As to what is in the on board flash - it could be just a stub - enough to format the drive and d/l and install the full O/S.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2013 #151 of 3265
    Am_I_Evil

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    Question for the OP:
    Did you plug in and boot up at all before the upgrade or was the upgrade the very first boot for the TiVo?
     
  12. Aug 22, 2013 #152 of 3265
    amseven11

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    It's not uncommon at all, All directv DVR's as well as U-verse DVR's allow you to change out the hard drive with no problems. Even on cable DVR's you can swap out the drive and the motherboard will format and prepare the drive for use. Normally though there are limitations (Cable 1 TB, Directv 2TB or 3TB with a Genie, 1TB with U-Verse). If anything this is Tivo actually getting on par with other manufacturers.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2013 #153 of 3265
    amseven11

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    I upgraded it before ever booting it.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2013 #154 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    But, wouldn't TiVo KNOW what DVRs were going to their MSO partners, as well as what went to retail channels, and be able to make it where (as somebody else mentioned) the drive can only yield what they allow, and give the MSOs what they want, and nip retail units in the bud?

    Essentially, at boot-up, the TSN goes to TiVo, they know if it's MSO or retail, and the allowed image size is put onto the drive. That would've been their ticket out of this.

    On the other hand, how many warranties might they choose not to honor, even if you put the original drive back in... They have allowed people to get away with it before, but maybe that will change now. The more upgrades, the less warranties they have to honor, right? Just spitballing...
     
  15. Aug 22, 2013 #155 of 3265
    Goober96

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    That's what I'm afraid of. It's too much money to spend to risk voiding the warranty and being stuck with a brick.
     
  16. Aug 22, 2013 #156 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    $30 isn't a big deal when you are looking at $569 vs $599 especially when you consider potential warranty issues.

    I do agree, as great as this is I am still hesitant to dive in with a Plus.

    TiVo has never tried to stop drive upgrades, but that doesn't mean it couldn't change. It somewhat makes you question the pricing of the Pro now though. Why not make it the same price or cheaper than DIY so $549. This would guarantee at least for now people would buy over upgrade.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2013 #157 of 3265
    Dan203

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    With the $40 off coupon the Pro is $559 and with the Plus the coupon is only $25 making it $544. So for $15 you get the peace of mind that the unit has never been opened and you're guaranteed to get the manufacturer warranty. It also allows you to purchase the TiVo extended warranty without fear of rejection if something goes wrong.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2013 #158 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    How many times did it say downloading an update and did it reboot? Seems like I remember my XL4 rebooted like 2 or 3 times and downloaded an update once.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2013 #159 of 3265
    Dan203

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    At this point the cats out of the bag. It's kind of like how S3 units can use any eSATA drive while Premiere units can only use WD drives. They couldn't just stop supporting non-WD drives on the S3 because that would break TiVos that were in the field.

    If they were going to add any sort of restriction or limitation they would have done it already. Now it's too late. All they can do now is get more strict on warranty claims.
     
  20. Aug 22, 2013 #160 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Looks like another test someone will need to try.

    Thinking out loud.

    1. Can you upgrade after booting and activating with the stock drive?

    2. Is the functionality the same on the Plus and Pro?

    3. What is the bug with the 4TB drive?

    4. Is this the Weaknees method or did they discover problems with this?

    5. What will TiVo's response be?
     

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