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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

    Sep 8, 2001
    Does the software tool exist to take a configured Roamio drive, a 1TB, and copy it to a 3TB drive, expanding or whatnot to get the full 3TB?

    I'm wondering if the only way to get 3 TB into a Roamio is to essentially start from scratch. Drop in the new drive then re-do all SPs, Wishlists and so on.

    Likewise, preserving recordings going from 1TB to 3TB. Can it be done?
  2. Keen

    Keen Member

    Aug 2, 2009
  3. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Regarding my "Some many consider cloning a Weaknees, or other upgrade vendor's, pre-prepared drive, as stealing" type of post:

    I once posted I had successfully used GNU dd_rescue, from the JMFS CD's command line, to clone DVR_DUDE's 2TB upgrades for the Premiere and HD, without issue.

    I was then confronted with accusations of theft, and doomsday-type predictions if DVR_DUDE ever found out.

    I then posted that I never used the pre-prepared drives I purchased, but instead used the clones, and put the originals on a shelf, for in the event that the clones failed, or became corrupted.

    Nobody had anything to say about it after that point. So, I was merely trying to protect the person asking about a dd-type copy of a Weaknees drive (if it "should work") from the same accusations.

    It has been brought up (speculated), a few times, in a few threads, that the "legit" vendors may actually pay a license fee, to TiVo, for the privilege to do what they do, without TiVo interfering/suing. Nobody has proven that one way, or the other (that I'm aware of). The only claim I have ever heard, that wasn't challenged, was that the author of "Instant Cake" software (which used a guided menu to run free, open-source software, to create TiVo images from the ground-up, for a fee).

    I really don't know if any of that is even possible (or legit), since TiVo runs on a "TiVoized" version of a free Linux distro. "TiVoization" is actually a term you can find on Wikipedia. TiVo took a public/open-license system, and made some of it proprietary, which many view as violating the GNU/open-source/free software initiative, as well as the terms that you agree to by using, and re-distributing, such software. TiVo is, in fact, profiting from the work of those who made the original open-source/free software. But, how are organizations that give away their software for free, going to afford to make TiVo "cease and desist" doing what they do?

    I'm barely Linux-experienced enough to do more than things like making a JMFS bootable CD and using the command line for drives it doesn't recognize as a valid TiVo drive (or just going to command line to change the parameters for the GNU dd_rescue it uses, to speed up the transfer speed, when I know I am working with error-free drives). I've tried to read-up on it as best, and as often, as I can. So, please forgive me, or grant me some latitude, if I have mangled the language that applies to Linux-type software in the making of this post. Corrections are welcome, as long as they aren't a variation of calling me an "idiot". :)
  4. Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

    Sep 8, 2001
    There is nothing proprietary about the Weaknees drive. Is it patented? Copyrighted? The "proprietary-ness" is in the tool they use to create it.

    Cloning in no way violates WKs rights or ownership. We may each, in our own way, cobble together a tool to create our own 4TB Roamio-ready drives without violating WKs rights or ownership. Perhaps someone will, and give it away. Would that violate WKs' rights? Nope.

    Neither does dd. It's just another tool.

    So, unless WKs makes you agree not to clone, reverse engineer or otherwise duplicate their 4TB drives, have at it.

    It would be fun to examine the partition map and compare that to a drive prepped by Roamio.
  5. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    No disagreement here. Although, it kind of (initially) felt like you were disagreeing with me, I can see it as more of a disagreement with those yelling "theft!", when publicly discussing cloning of "prepped" or "pre-prepared" upgrade drives...

    By examining such drives (or backup images, in virtual HDD emulation), you can find out things like DVR_DUDE's 2TB upgrades for pre-Roamio models aren't fully 4K aligned, and a 2TB structure you can clone from a FACTORY Premiere XL4/Elite actually is (and is easily made to download the software for a non-2TB, and/or lesser-tuner model Premiere). I had to pay for the upgrade, just to find out I didn't need to pay for it (and that the advertising for the former was misleading, to say the least)...
  6. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

    May 30, 2008
    The price is awesome, but how many hoops do you have to jump through to get the rebate? The last time I played that game it ended up as a $30 rebate that I could collect after signing up for two different web services that I didn't want, and I would get a "gift" card to a certain big-box store about 3 months later.

    I'm not questioning the drive, just the deal. I have the 4TB version of that drive and it's a sweetie...
  7. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    Yeah screw those mail in rebates. There will be plenty of deals before Xmas.
  8. chrispitude

    chrispitude New Member

    Apr 23, 2005
    You apply for the rebate online, and they give you the form to print out and mail in with the UPC. It's pretty painless.
  9. tsheley

    tsheley New Member

    Oct 12, 2007
    What is the best 2TB drive to use to upgrade with? Thanks!
  10. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
  11. davidahn

    davidahn New Member

    Jun 6, 2005
    I've always been prone to 1) wanting the biggest and the baddest, and 2) never paying full price. So obviously I wanted the 4+4TB setup WK sells, but without paying $1100 for $700 of hardware ($350 for Plus current TiVo deal, $175 x 2 for drives). At this point I see no one reporting success with it, I'm leaning toward getting a Pro and being done with it.

    With all the streaming options (Hulu+, Netflix, HBO Go, etc.) plus bittorrent (though recompressed), I see less need for massive storage. Also, I'm considering a 4K PJ, and 4K material would also be outside the TiVo. I really do wonder if I need to be storing 8 TB of my favorite seasons on my own HDs. I don't know if this is sour grapes since I can't have a cheap 8TB solution?
  12. andyw715

    andyw715 Active Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    how many hours is 8TB?
  13. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

    May 6, 2002
    weaKnees says 1280
  14. almighty

    almighty Lost in the sticks..

    Jun 17, 2001
    I've got a new Roamio arriving tomorrow to replace a dead Premiere. But I am going to want to upgrade the Plus' 1TB to 2 or 3. I've tried to read as much of this long thread as I can, but running out of time to order a drive if I need to prior to booting the Roamio up first time.

    I can deal with having to re-pair CC, re-setup the Tivo from scratch down the road, if that is the only hiccup. Is there anything else that would compel me to get the new drive today to arrive tomorrow with the Tivo?

  15. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    If anyone is really interested Weakness has sent out an email with black Friday codes in it (they are good now).
    1. Roamio Plus duel 4TB drives $900 use code RPLUS8
    2. Roamio Plus single 4TB drive $600 use code RPLUS4
    3. Roamio Plus 3TB drive $490 use code RPLUS3
    4. Roamio Plus $350 use code RPLUS
    5. Base Roamio dual 4TB drives $800 use code ROAMIO8
    6. Base Roamio single 4TB drive $500 use code ROAMIO4
    7. Base Roamio single 2TB drive $300 use code ROAMIO
  16. mattack

    mattack New Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    If the Roamio does 3 TB internally 'plug and play' just fine, why wouldn't you use the 3 TB?
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Could be like me, already having multiple cases of different model 2TB drives, but unlike me, not knowing if there's any reason to use one over the other two models.

    Somehow I doubt that is the case. But, it is a possible scenario. Not everybody asking drive questions necessarily is drive-less, and/or able to afford 3TB, at the moment.

    I stocked up on 2TB drives, of several varieties, as each of them hit hard-to-pass-up prices, having no idea that I'd not find myself wishing I hadn't.

    I long for the days when it was super-easy to take a situation like mine, and just make raid-arrays, with excess drives, before the drive makers started sabotaging the firmware of non-raid-rated drives... Then I wouldn't get angry every time I see a sale on 3TB drives, but remember I sank my money into 2TB ones. This is why my new Roamios will have to live with 2TB each.

    I didn't know the Roamio's specs when back when buying the drives, nor after the Roamio launch did I know I'd find any reasons to get any Roamios, nor did I know the demand/selling prices of Premieres would take such an epic hit.

    Now, after the last Premiere update, I mostly figure if I'm going to get bombarded by ads, regardless of if I upgrade, or not, I might as well get my ads on a faster platform, that actually has any semblance of TiVo providing support and bug-fixes for. The extras and potential future extras are just a bonus. ;)

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