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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    I agree, the only hard drive issue I have ever had on my Tivo's was the ESATA external drive on my S3. It worked for about and month and then went wonky. I had to disconnect the external drive and of course I ended up loosing all my data, but the base TiVo came right back up.

    I then pulled the 1TB drive out of the ESATA case and placed it into my Media server and it has been banging away for years.

    I will never do that again. Too many points of failure, and if you do have a problem - you will loose everything on both drives.
  2. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

    May 14, 2007
    I wasn't trying to be a contrarian. I only offered that up as information for others who may be on TWC.
  3. bradenmcg

    bradenmcg Big Geek

    Dec 28, 2007
    I know this is fairly old now, but with a WD Red you shouldn't have to use wdidle. The Reds already are setup to not power down, just like the AV drives.

    The Red and AV drives should be fairly similar in firmware - Reds are NAS optimized, where they will almost immediately return an error on a sector and mark it bad rather than trying to recover it and possibly falling out of the array they are in. I would imagine that the AV drives would have similar behavior - most people would rather have a small macroblock / bit error in a recording than have the drive hang up for 1-2 minutes trying to retry a read or write.

    To the poster who had a 3TB Red and ran into problems, I'd be willing to bet you just had a bad drive... would've been worth trying WD Diags on it before sending it back.
  4. swerver

    swerver Member

    May 18, 2012
    Swapped in a 3tb drive to my plus last night. I had already set it up using the 1 tb drive it came with, and I noticed that while I had to rerun guided setup and all that, my selections in "My Video Providers" persisted... interesting. And I didn't need to relogin to amazon or rhapsody. I also posted last week when I got the plus that I had a couple reboots within an hour or 2 of setting it up. Went the whole week since then without any. Then after putting the new drive in, I got a couple more. But it's been ok since that initial period, again.
  5. Rkkeller

    Rkkeller Active Member

    May 13, 2004
    Does anyone know if you can just swap out already setup HD's and if they would still work fine?

    Say I had a 2TB HD installed and working fine, then I installed a 3TB HD and it was working fine.

    Can I just swap them out now and then with no problems or would it try to format and erase them????
  6. tbielowicz

    tbielowicz New Member

    Apr 16, 2009
    I believe that it wouldn't erase anything unless you manually did that in the settings. You should be ok, but I haven't tried it.
  7. jmpage2

    jmpage2 Active Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    It seems to do a check and if the software is already installed it does not re-format the drive, at least from what people have posted about over this enormous thread.

    I can see things which could cause problems with this, but in theory it would work.... as to why someone would wish to do such a thing is another matter entirely.... also keep in mind that the more esoteric things people do and the inevitable support calls to TiVo that will follow are the #1 reason that this capability gets scrapped in a future software update.
  8. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I tend to agree, if people are messing with their TiVos they should come here for support and not call TiVo.

    Given the speed and ease of off loading shows to my computer and pulling them back I don't think I am even going to bother upgrading the 500GB drive it is just to easy to use out of the TiVo storage now. I had actually thought about not upgrade the Premiere but it was still slow enough that I didn't like dealing with transfers the Roamio is so fast I can start a transfer from my computer, start watching it and still skip through all the commercials and never catch up with the transfer.

    Being OTA all my shows are transferable so I have no issue doing transfers, but I do understand that cable people could have transfer restrictions so I would think an upgrade would still be worth it for cable people.
  9. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    Will work great EXCEPT you will have a loss of your cable card pairing for both drives, at least in Comcast CT.
  10. cmeinck

    cmeinck Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Have a Roamio Plus + 3TB drive coming tomorrow. Is the recommendation to power up the Roamio first before upgrading the hard drive? Is it safe to power up, pull the plug to avoid setup and proceed with upgrade?

  11. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    It does not matter how you do it as long as you have no power to the TiVo when your open the unit up, but you will a lot of advice now.
  12. Surrealone

    Surrealone TiVoOnThEmInD

    Dec 8, 2006
    I would say upgrade the drive before you plug in and turn on. unless you want to go though the setup twice

    That's my advice for what its worth :)
  13. jmpage2

    jmpage2 Active Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    That's what I did. If something goes wrong you can always put the stock drive back in to see if there's something wrong with the unit or not.
  14. Joe Siegler

    Joe Siegler New Member

    May 10, 2000
    Garland, TX
    Sorry for the blurry pic, but.. Roamio basic upgraded to 2TB. It really is "that easy". :)

  15. vurbano

    vurbano New Member

    Apr 20, 2004
    yup. my stock drive has never been booted and frankly there is not going to be an occasion where it ever sees the inside of a tivo or anything else in my house. Its too small for a tivo roamio 6 tuner situation. its too slow as a system PC drive and too small really for a Raid storage situation.
  16. BobCamp1

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    Please find my previous thread discussing the differences between a Green drive and an AV drive. Error detection and correction is constantly occurring, but the hard drive never reports the error to the OS unless it's not correctable. You also have to use the special ATA streaming commands to invoke the behavior you're talking about. We don't know if Tivo has done this or not. But WD is actively advertising those commands in the Red drives.

    You're right in that the Red's firmware is similar to the AV drive's firmware. As with the Green. The Red drive is spinning faster, drawing more power, is probably louder, and is hotter. But there are few differences between the lines.


    Also note that those SMART tests are dumb, and only detect around half of failing hard drives. There was a concerned effort to fix this, but based on my recent experience with a failing hard drive they still have a long way to go.
  17. Surrealone

    Surrealone TiVoOnThEmInD

    Dec 8, 2006
    I have a feeling hotter is not better when it comes to Roamio. I put a Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM drive in in my roamio and after about 15min it was vary warm.
    I pulled it out not worth testing to PSU and the heat syncs
    to see how much heat it can stand.

    Also you say the red drive spins faster but all I can find is that is has IntelliPower listed for RPM speed. Maybe I missed it. But what speed does it spin at?

  18. Crrink

    Crrink Active Member

    Sep 2, 2002
    Austin, TX
    FWIW, the last AV drive I bought was probably 2 years ago. The 3TB Red drive I put in my Roamio Basic is quieter than the 3TB AV drive in the TiVoHD it replaced. I can't hear the Red drive seeking even with my ear against the vent on that side of the Roamio. I can hear the TiVoHD seek from a couple of feet away. It's quiet, and has never bothered me, but the Red drive is as silent a hard drive as I've ever heard...or not heard :)

    I did check TiVo's report of MB temps before/after the upgrade, and they haven't changed - 42-44C. The Roamio Basic case is small, and you can easily feel the heat of the HDD through the plastic top, but so far this one doesn't appear to run hotter than the stock Seagate drive it replaced.

    I wondered if my cheapness would come back to bite me, but so far so good (got the Red drive for about $25 less than an AV drive with a Newegg coupon.)
    If the price is the same, I'd go with an AV drive, but so far I'm happy with the cost savings.
  19. BobCamp1

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    Hard drives thrive in the heat, up to around 60 C or so. Then their reliability falls off sharply. So "felt very warm" doesn't mean much.

    If they list "IntelliPower", for the Red then I'm mistaken. It's a low RPM drive that has the same speed, power, and heat as a Green drive. This made me look at the spec. sheets for the Red vs. Green, and I don't see any difference except the 3 yr. warranty on the Red vs. the 2 on the Green. I'm shocked that they'd recommend the Red for RAID use, as RAID users typically go for extra performance vs. the data redundancy and they wouldn't usually settle for a low RPM drive. But it's all marketing drivel anyway.

    "IntelliPower" doesn't mean variable speed -- it means fixed speed (5400 rpm) but the actual throughput is sometimes higher than a "typical" 5400 RPM drive. Since all drives support NCQ, of course when you use that you'll get bursts of higher throughput.
  20. Surrealone

    Surrealone TiVoOnThEmInD

    Dec 8, 2006
    Ok thanks I had a feeling it was slower and yes most drives do spin better with some heat but it's the Roamio PSU that worries me. I have had to replace a few PSU's in my S3's and that's not a bad thing both my S3's are over 9years old I got my money's worth and then some :)

    yes it is all marketing Green/Black/red you pick the color and they charge you more

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