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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Sep 6, 2013 #1001 of 3265
    Crrink

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    Once you install the drive and have the TiVo up and running, try doing a warm reboot (restarting the system from the menus) and a cold reboot (pull the plug, count to 10, plug it back in.)

    On the TiVoHD and Premiere lines, the non-AV drives would have difficulty restarting from one of these states (cold boot, I believe, but too lazy to search to verify.) This was due to the parking feature in the drive.

    If you recover from both boots normally, you should be fine, if not you'll have to pull the drive and look for instructions to run wdidle3 on the drive. It's not terribly complicated, but will take a bit of digging, downloading, etc. to be able to do it.

    Once it's done, you should be all set.

    I installed a WD Red drive in my Roamio Basic and did not have to run wdidle3 - hopefully it's no longer an issue with TiVo's, but I don't think anybody has done testing to confirm yet.

    Hope everything goes smoothly for you guys.

    Edited to add: if you've done upgrades on previous versions of TiVo, running wdidle3 will be no trouble at all, once you have the software in hand, and a computer to use it on.
    I'm also fairly certain I was able to run the utility with a drive attached to a USB - SATA dock, so even if you're on a laptop, I believe you will be able to do it.
     
  2. Sep 6, 2013 #1002 of 3265
    lessd

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    My first two drive upgrade (for a series 2) was from WK and I learned a lot, than when more info was available I did my own upgrades, when you purchase an upgrade kit from WK you get to keep you original drive, that has some value.
     
  3. Sep 6, 2013 #1003 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    Since it involves a mod to the drives firmware, I'm not sure that this is possible.

    The WD site says that "(wdidle3) will scan the ATA bus". Drives connected via USB will not be on the ATA bus.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2013 #1004 of 3265
    A J Ricaud

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    I recently had to reboot my Roamio basic w/ a 3TB WD AV-GP drive by pulling the plug. It booted fine--no problems.
     
  5. Sep 6, 2013 #1005 of 3265
    brettatk

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    Right, but she isn't getting the AV-GP drive. I think he's referring to the drive she has purchased which isn't the same one.
     
  6. Sep 6, 2013 #1006 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    Precisely. The "regular" WD Green drive.
     
  7. Sep 6, 2013 #1007 of 3265
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    maybe a previously answered question

    could I use the drive I used to upgrade my Premier in a Roamio? I could put back the original drive into the Premier and go from there.

    If I could would I have to do anything to the drive before I swapped it into the Roamio?
     
  8. Sep 6, 2013 #1008 of 3265
    Dan203

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    Someone stuck a drive from a NAS, which had data on it, in their Roamio and it worked fine. However because your drive is from an actual TiVo there might be some sort of conflict. I don't think anyone has tried that yet. If you give it a shot let us know how it goes. It's unlikely to cause any issues with the hardware so worst case scenario is it wont work and you'll have to pop it into a computer and wipe it clean before trying again.

    Edit: Keep in mind that you are definitely going to lose all your recordings. It wont just boot up. Best case scenario is it'll wipe the drive for you and start you over at Guided Setup
     
  9. Sep 6, 2013 #1009 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I would wipe the drive first. Download SeaTools (or a similar utility), hook the drive up to a PC, boot from the tools disk, zero the drive, and then put it in the Roamio.
     
  10. Sep 6, 2013 #1010 of 3265
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    that makes sense, the premier that it's in I hardly ever use (and nothing on it I need to save) and will sell/give away when I upgrade. It was just for the times when I needed more than the two turners on my main soon to be spare Premier.
     
  11. Sep 6, 2013 #1011 of 3265
    Direwolf14

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    I actually took a WD20EURS out of a Premiere and dropped it into a Roamio Plus without wiping the disk first. Worked fine, no issues.

    The Premiere reported the capacity as 317 HD hours, while the Roamio says 315 HD hours. I also switched cable providers, so that may account for the difference.
     
  12. Sep 6, 2013 #1012 of 3265
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    perfect!
     
  13. Sep 6, 2013 #1013 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    More likely a difference in space reserved for TiVo use by a Roamio vs. a supersized Premiere.
     
  14. Sep 6, 2013 #1014 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I compared the partition tables between a Premiere XL4 (2TB) and a Roamio with a WD20EURS this morning. They were identical in most regards, but a Roamio uses a bigger swap and a bigger /var partition. Even though the OS partitions are just 4K placeholders to flash memory on a Roamio, it was enough to shrink the final media partition by about 768MB. That may account for the difference.

    It's nice to know that even a TiVo drive can be dropped into a Roamio without prior formatting. Good work!
     
  15. Sep 6, 2013 #1015 of 3265
    Dan203

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    It's all a guess anyway. The number of hours is based on an estimated bitrate. They don't actually know the bitrates of what you'll be recording so it could shift +/- 100 hours if they're off by just 5Mbps.
     
  16. Sep 6, 2013 #1016 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    Amen! My OTA recordings vary from about 3.5GB/hour to over 5GB/hour depending on the network. It's weird, but I get a better picture quality watching Hart of Dixie on CW even though the bitrate is lower than the majors.
     
  17. Sep 6, 2013 #1017 of 3265
    Dan203

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    Is CW 720p? 720p has twice the frame rate but a little less then half the resolution, plus progressive frames are easier to encode then interlaced, so they can get away with lower bitrates while still retaining a nice looking picture.
     
  18. Sep 6, 2013 #1018 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I'll have to answer that one later when something I record comes back around. I should have looked at the files with MediaInfo or VRD, but I just watched & deleted them.

    It may just be a Houston thing and encoding tech varies, but somehow their signal just looks better even with a smaller file size / hour than everyone but ABC. :confused::confused:
     
  19. Sep 6, 2013 #1019 of 3265
    keenanSR

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    If it's KIAH it's 1080i although local cable companies could be doing what ever with the signal.
     
  20. Sep 6, 2013 #1020 of 3265
    Dan203

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    Just checked my local CW OTA feed and it's 1080i, but I don't know if that's national or not.
     

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