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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Sep 4, 2013 #941 of 3288
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's always been their approach, one internal drive, one on the eSATA port, when it comes to going for the "Biggest TiVo capacity in the world" crown.

    I suspected this was what they were working on, from the get-go. Now, all we need is for them to make sure it's going to work once full, and things start getting deleted for space, begin selling them, then somebody can try to reverse-engineer what they did, and maybe we can see some competition, keeping prices in check... They usually are the first, and their prices fall in line with assuming they can be the only source. Then, people like DVR_DUDE pop-up, selling at lower prices, and we won't have to take out a second mortgage to have the same thing...

    I wonder how long it will take this time...
     
  2. Sep 4, 2013 #942 of 3288
    Devx

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  3. Sep 4, 2013 #943 of 3288
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Ridiculous if you ask me. I wouldn't trust a TiVo to preserve all that for as long as I want in the 1st place. But I'm probably in the minority being content with 1TB per 6 tuners (and perhaps lucky that my Cable Co. does not mark everything as copy protected like TWC does so anything I want to keep for the long term is offloaded).
     
  4. Sep 4, 2013 #944 of 3288
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    I'm of the opposite minority, in a way. I like having multiple 2-Tuner TiVos with 2TB each. One goes down, plenty left to take over, or plenty left to have more than one TiVo recording the same content, should one fail (or fail to record).

    What I don't like about it is all the extra costs involved with all the cablecards required, and all the extra power each Tuning Adapter, on each unit sucks in, and pumps out as heat (adding to air conditioning load/electric bill costs).

    While reducing cable and electric costs is a nice thought, along with more tuners and less conflicts, less TiVos means more chance of a TA going offline, or any number of single problems, causing all 4/6 tuners to become useless, and no recorded content...
     
  5. Sep 5, 2013 #945 of 3288
    jmbach

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    Probably a 3TB internal with a 4TB external. (It's probably obvious but I'd thought I mention it anyway) Getting a 4TB internal will require some finessing of the partition table and MFS media partitions.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4
     
  6. Sep 5, 2013 #946 of 3288
    Rkkeller

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    Guys I am getting worried. I have had 3 reboots in the last 6 hours, 2 of them in the last 30 minutes and I was doing nothing but watching the news.
     
  7. Sep 5, 2013 #947 of 3288
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    WHat is your setup? CableCARD? HD upgrade? Much easier than having people search the thread for the relevant information.
     
  8. Sep 5, 2013 #948 of 3288
    Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    Yes, more info please. I'm going to be an OTA user only, so I really want to know if this is just the CableCard TA fiasco.

    Also, it could just be a bad TiVo---HDD, anyway.

    So have your upgraded the HDD on your own and experiencing this problem? Let us know, and if so, what HDD you installed.

    Thanks.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2013 #949 of 3288
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    That was my assessment (educated guess) as well. Since it's 7TB, not 8, I assumed they put a 3TB on the inside and a 4TB on the eSATA port.

    At least they seem to be testing things more thoroughly, after the whole original 4TB Premieres they were selling turned out to have a fatal flaw.

    It must be absolutely killing them, having to hold-back, before starting sales. At that capacity, the testing phase might take a while...
     
  10. Sep 5, 2013 #950 of 3288
    Rkkeller

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    I am using a CC with Comcast and upgraded the HD to a 3tb, the one linked a few pages back in this thread.

    I am doing a test, I started recording on all the tuners and it will record until I go home for lunch. Then I will see what happens or if its only one tuner or what.
     
  11. Sep 5, 2013 #951 of 3288
    andyw715

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    I'm not very versed in RAID 0 (which is what I think happens when an eSATA drive is married to TiVO), but at the end of the day isn't the outcome (from the O/S point of view) a drive that looks like a big 7TB disk?

    I guess I don't know what the difference would be if it were a 3TB + 4TB set up vs just a 7TB drive in there (except for the issue of the existence of a singl 7TB disk)
     
  12. Sep 5, 2013 #952 of 3288
    aaronwt

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    Sounds good but already with 3TB the my Shows list is becoming a pain. I really wish they would implement profiles then it would be easier to view content. For instance I would have one profile labeled news.

    On a daily basis I have four to six tuners recording so the My shows list is becoming very large already even though I've only used around 25% of the storage space.

    When I was using two Elites I had my Season Passes split up between them. But now with everything on one box the My Shows list is becoming very cluttered with so many shows being recorded each day. At least the navigation is very quick with the Roamio.
     
  13. Sep 5, 2013 #953 of 3288
    innocentfreak

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    Yes, but you also have two points of failure. And I believe if one drive fails you lose both drives worth of recordings.

    I agree. I already hit 30% on my Pro and it is going to be tough managing these.

    I am already trying to figure out my strategy going forward.
     
  14. Sep 5, 2013 #954 of 3288
    HeatherA

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    BobCamp1

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    You may have a defective hard drive. Around 15% of hard drives are defective by the time they are used for the first time. The shipping process is very bad on a hard drive.

    Put in the original drive and see if the problems go away. If so, start the RMA process.
     
  16. Sep 5, 2013 #956 of 3288
    andyw715

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    Yeah I was speaking in the point of view of the difficulty of an internal 4TB + drive.

    When you plug in the eSATA, it effectively becomes one big drive, and the TiVo can manage it without having to do anything.

    So If I have a Roamio Pro + 1TB extender. I have a RAID 0 or JBOD volume that is accessible as a 4TB drive.

    The question is, as far as the O/S is concerned. What is the difference between an internal 4TB drive and an internal 3TB + 1TB extender?
     
  17. Sep 5, 2013 #957 of 3288
    jmpage2

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    Neither of those drives is optimized for DVR use. They are desktop drives, which means that they might run hotter as well as have power management features that mess with TiVo.

    It very well might work, but if the drive runs noticeably warmer than what TiVo uses (Seagate or WD drives optimized for DVR use) then it could potentially cause some kind of issue somewhere down the line.

    Or, it could work fine for years. I replaced drives in two of my old TiVo HD units with Samsung Spinpoint desktop hard drives. One worked fine for 3 years, the other one had a bad drive in 18 months.

    Caveat Emptor.
     
  18. Sep 5, 2013 #958 of 3288
    overFEDEXed

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    I had that problem with all of my kids shows. I use to use some program that I found here, to automatically pull the shows off the TiVo, put them in a folder, then push them back to the TiVo, now "grouped". It kept things more organized.

    I may have to go back to that now.
     
  19. Sep 5, 2013 #959 of 3288
    Rose4uKY

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    Our 3 week old Premiere had 2TB and 300 HD Hours and coming from a Series 3 160hr 20 HD we couldn't get over all the shows we had and tons of Suggestions and still at like 13%. Well then we decided to return the Premiere cause the Roamio came out and the plus was the same price so we now have 1TB over 2 and 1/2 the amount of HD hours but I still think will be fine. I can't see having 7TB wow! I do wish I had the Pro but I am still happy with the plus better features and faster than the premiere and much more space than my old series 3.

    But for some reason it's not recording suggestions still. But yes we had to pack up the Premiere and I have TWC and so much was copyrighted I was upset cause I lost a lot of good suggestions and rock concert off AXS TV that we like. But I think will be fine with 1TB all my season passes are mostly night time fall shows and 3 soaps and a morning talk show and since Suggestions get deleted 1st and having 6 tuner I don't think me and my boyfriend will have a conflict or any trouble and if I get behind on a few shows and just want them off the DVR cause there HD I can always transfer to my PC where I have a 2.5 TB external so I'm good.

     
  20. Sep 5, 2013 #960 of 3288
    jmpage2

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    It took over 24 hours before mine started doing suggestions. Adding new SPs and thumbs up/down of shows also helps it figure out what to record.
     

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