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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 31, 2013 #821 of 3265
    consumedsoul

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    WD20EURS
     
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    Crrink

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    Mine was with the stock drive - temps here from earlier in the thread:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9783612#post9783612

    "My unmodified Roamio basic is noticeably warm to the touch on the top case, above the hard drive.
    Using a decent IR thermometer I get measurements in the mid 80F range along the top cover, and if I measure at the vents on the side the HDD is on I get a max of around 105F.
    My MBT reading is 44C, ambient room temp is about 75F."
     
  3. Aug 31, 2013 #823 of 3265
    Crrink

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    I put one in my Roamio basic, and so far so good.
    I've been transferring shows for the last couple of days, so haven't been able to do any warm/cold boot testing to see if wdidle needs to be run or not.
    The drive is the quietest drive I've ever heard...or not heard, I suppose. Can't hear any seeking noise the way I can with the 2 year old 2Tb WD AV-GP drive I have in the TiVo HD I'm replacing.

    I think it's safest to replace with a Green drive, but the small amount of research I quickly did indicated that a Red drive would be fine in a DVR, and so far, I'm glad I saved the $20 by going with one.

    YMMV, of course.

    Edit: I just tried a warm and cold reboot - no problems, so I think my Red drive is all good!
     
  4. Aug 31, 2013 #824 of 3265
    fungflex

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    Got to say, that was the easiest hard drive upgrade I have ever done on a device like this. I yanked a 3TB WD Green (EZRX) I had in another computer. I didn't even format or wipe out the hard drive.

    Installed it before turning it on for the first time, plugged everything in, and powered it up for the first time and it took a couple minutes and I am now showing 450+ hours of HD recording on my Roamio Plus.

    Not sure how normal people even bother dealing with TiVo without TivoCommunity.

    These forums helped me find one in stock at the best price, upgrade the hard drive quickly and easily, and identify before the TiVo arrived that my cablecard from FIOS was going to cause issues and should be swapped out for a newer part number.

    Now for me to finish running around my house doing guided setups on a Roamio Plus (Pro) and three tivo Minis
     
  5. Aug 31, 2013 #825 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    They did an awesome job this time even if it was more for their benefit than ours. Both sides win.

    Nice to know that you don't necessarily have to wipe the drive first.
     
  6. Aug 31, 2013 #826 of 3265
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    I just watched the youtube video that was linked to in this thread that shows this same information - 316 HD hours or 2174 SD hours.
    When I upgraded my Premiere to 2TB, it showed 317 HD hours, which is in line with the Roamio with 2TB, but my Premiere showed 2779 SD hours which is 600 more than the Roamio. Why would there be such a significant difference?

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    (disregard the colored underlines)
     
  7. Aug 31, 2013 #827 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Probably due to analog support in the Premiere. With analog you could change the quality of the recording which would reduce the size on lower quality settings, but with digital you record exactly as it comes in so the variable is more precise.
     
  8. Aug 31, 2013 #828 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    It's all just an estimate anyway.

    If I set up a few hundred recordings from the H.264 channels on FiOS I would be able to store alot more hours of HD than it shows in the Sys info screen since H.264 recordings take up less space than MPEG2 recordings.
     
  9. Aug 31, 2013 #829 of 3265
    P42

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    A theory on why 4TB drives are not working:
    The basic flash boot drive, which is sufficient to get the Tivo booted and talking with the mothership, does a check for drive size "if greater than X, and smaller then Y, then download image, else fail" (where X=500 and Y=3000).

    I don't recall 3TB being a limit for any particular OSes or partitioning scheme (yes I know Tivo is to it own in this arena), or a hardware limit, but rather Tivo don't want someone selling something they are not. I suspect that if Tivo offers a Pro+ with a large HDD, that that will become the new upper limit.

    Just a theory, and a large guess, and as valuable/useless as anyone else's :D
     
  10. Aug 31, 2013 #830 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I'd guess that someone (somewhere) used "long int" instead of "long unsigned int" in one subroutine, but that's just another WAG. 3TB is indeed a weird number.

    The Apple Partition Map that they use puts a max of 2TB on any single drive but they have obviously beaten that limit. I don't know how yet, but I'll find out eventually.

    If I had to go WAY out on a limb and play Kreskin, I think the next update will support 4TB drives.
     
  11. Aug 31, 2013 #831 of 3265
    Series3Sub

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    I would LOVE it if someone could post a video on YouTube of showing us how to remove and replace the cover on the Roamio. Thanks.
     
  12. Aug 31, 2013 #832 of 3265
    Series3Sub

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    I think it really think the 3TB limit is more to do with reliability. The density required even for 3TB is getting pretty tight, and the additional HEAT may be an additional issue and this device is to be located in a home with kids or others occasionally moving jostling it and such, and it doesn't take much to errors on such a highly dense HOME consumer product that is NOT designed for laptops. It may be that TiVo just doesn't want to go that close to the edge or beyond the envelop they fell comfortable with for having a sufficiently reliable device. I don't think the really care of Weeknees sells a 4TB TiVo, overall, because others selling larger drives for TiVo's have always been the case.
     
  13. Aug 31, 2013 #833 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    Whether 3TB or 4TB the drive should be using 1TB platters. If the 3TB drive is not and is using four platters to achieve 3TB, then all the more reason why 4TB is no issue. Seagate has the 4TB, 5900rpm drives which uses four platters. It's really only a matter of time until WD comes out with their own. Heck 5TB and 6TB drives are supposed to start coming out soon. Although not for consumer use.
     
  14. Aug 31, 2013 #834 of 3265
    BobCamp1

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    Well, if their official product only comes in a 3 TB flavor, and the hard drive reports 4, it thinks something must be wrong with the hard drive. I mean, no one is supposed to open the box, right? :)
     
  15. Aug 31, 2013 #835 of 3265
    BobCamp1

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    I don't think it's stub code. I think it's the actual OS. Has anyone tried this without an Internet connection to see what happens?
     
  16. Aug 31, 2013 #836 of 3265
    lessd

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    It is a fixed stub code as I first used and fully set up the 1Tb drive that came with the Plus, then put in a 2Tb drive, the software had already been upgraded to the newest, it would have been in the flash, but the Plus did the full upgrade again, so I will go out on a limb and say the flash holds only the ability to format a new drive and put software on this new drive to run the remote, and all three internet connections, after the internet connection is made the first thing the Plus does is upgrade the TiVo with software (the newest) then starts the guided setup again, after some re-boots. You can still do a C&D all on the drive, then the setup mode does not try to upgrade again.
    I will get a 2nd Plus next Friday and will try putting the 1Tb drive from the first Plus into the 2nd Plus and see what happens, I will guess that the unit will boot with an error like past TiVos did and then I will do a C&D all and see if the setup works without any software upgrades.
     
  17. Aug 31, 2013 #837 of 3265
    cncb

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    In general is there any warning from the Tivo that a hard drive might be going bad such that you would have time to transfer recordings somewhere else to put back on later?
     
  18. Aug 31, 2013 #838 of 3265
    Joe Siegler

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    This is me. Antenna only. I wrote about my move to an antenna, and the troubles I had with interference in my walls if someone cares to read about that, the story is here.

    Looking forward to this box, because my Premiere is dog slow, as y'all well know. I currently have two Premiere units. Both unmodified, although one of them has lifetime, and the other has a grandfathered annual subscription on it. The latter was one I got from a friend who didn't want it anymore, and I took it off his hands for $40, which also got me 7 months of service, as he just "wanted it gone".

    Ultimately what I'd want is to have two Roamios (both basic due to antenna only), but I'm also broke, and I can probably sell the lifetime premiere to cover the cost of the service for a lifetime Roamio, but I'll still have to buy the box, and money is super tight now. I'm assuming selling the Premiere with annual service won't get me much of anything. The one with annual service I considered replacing with a Mini, but that requires hardwired internet, and there's no internet cable to the room where this box would live, so it has to be wireless. :(

    This thread (which I read all of from start to this post) makes me want to for the first time ever tinker with my box. I've been a TiVo owner since 2000, and my original Series 1 box way back when. Been through almost every major model since then, but I've always been afraid of bricking them, so I've never bothered. This however is a revelation in upgrading.

    Someone else in here made a request for a Youtube video showing getting the case off a Roamio. I'd like to see that myself to be honest.
     
  19. Sep 1, 2013 #839 of 3265
    gamo62

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    A double edged sword. It does take up less space than MPEG2, but the Stream will not play nice with H.264 content. Only MPEG2.
     
  20. Sep 1, 2013 #840 of 3265
    gamo62

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    How about a YouTube video of the procedure?
     

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