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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 29, 2013 #741 of 3265
    lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    If you can fix the software to allow the expansion of a drive that would very useful, as then, in the future, if I wanted to upgrade my 2Tb Plus to a 3Tb Plus I would not have to start over.
    I think TiVo hard drive design is for TiVos benefit to give the fastest response and save money in production, so now the system can just have a hard drive go in without any preformatting, that will save some money, and the amount of money TiVo will not get because of people putting in their own hard drive and having to lose the TiVo warranty, I think is small. 99% of TiVos that do go bad it's the hard drive, now on the Roamio all TiVo has to do is drop in another hard drive and they have a refurb TiVo to sell.
     
  2. Aug 29, 2013 #742 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    No, I said "GO DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH!".

    If you want to base your decisions on myths, BE MY GUEST!

    There's obviously no way I can prove anything to you. You need to prove it to yourself. So, why don't you get to it, and leave me the hell alone.
     
  3. Aug 29, 2013 #743 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    All I asked was for a pointer in the right direction, and you were an ass. Plain and simple. Dont worry though, i do know how to use the ignore button.
     
  4. Aug 29, 2013 #744 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    In response to what you attached to your post (quoted above) in an EDIT, before it could show up as one:

    Yep, Google's a GREAT way to find myths, that have been repeated over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again, and again, and again...

    If it were that easy, it wouldn't have taken me months to be sure about what I say.

    This isn't the thread for this. There's at least a dozen better-suited threads.
     
  5. Aug 29, 2013 #745 of 3265
    lessd

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    This forum has a number of different options

    AV drives vs other hard drives

    Using a UPS on all TiVos, and/or all electronics

    Turning off a TiVo for 12 hours a day, does the hard drive last longer

    and I am sure there are more, each to their own opinion and the rest of us can do as we see fit.
     
  6. Aug 29, 2013 #746 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    My apologies to the rest of you reading this thread.

    If you've been following it from the start, or took the time to read through all this, you'd see that I don't claim to know it all.

    I just didn't want a careless insertion, of a vaguely recalled myth, to cloud the fact-finding mission we are on.

    Truth be told, it would take days for me just to try and re-find all the sources for all the facts on AV drives. There's a giant sea of fiction, and even the drive makers are guilty of pushing for their use, in applications that don't necessarily need them. It's business as usual, folks.

    With that over, back to ROAMIO drive upgrades, and what people are finding, as they bravely pioneer ahead...
     
  7. Aug 29, 2013 #747 of 3265
    Mike Lang

    Mike Lang Administrator Staff Member Administrator TCF Club

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    Alright guys...cool it.
     
  8. Aug 29, 2013 #748 of 3265
    TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    I joined this forum about a week ago. This is the second time you've had to apologize. Apologies are good, not making rude, insulting and condescending posts in the first place is better.
     
  9. Aug 29, 2013 #749 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    True. Welcome to TCF. I'm sure the longer you are here, the more it will stand out that there's plenty of condescension and insulting going on, from plenty of people, who will never once apologize for it.
     
  10. Aug 29, 2013 #750 of 3265
    DaveDFW

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    Does anyone know if CableCard pairing information survives the installation of a new hard drive? Or does the host ID change when the new drive is configured?

    In other words, should I wait for my new hard drive before making the CableCard pairing call? The call is sufficiently unpleasant that I don't want to make it more than once. :)
     
  11. Aug 29, 2013 #751 of 3265
    tatergator1

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    The consensus is that nothing survives a disk swap. I'd wait to pair your Card to save repeating the process in a couple days.
     
  12. Aug 29, 2013 #752 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I think the biggest advantage for TiVo is during the initial manufacturing phase. I don't know what their refurb numbers are, but it makes sense both ways. I hope the person who said "Why don't we drop empty drives in the box and save all the time and money we spend imaging them" gets a big pat on the back and a bigger bonus check.

    It's good for them, it's good for us, and a win-win situation all around. :D

    I'll probably figure out enough of the new format to rewrite DvrBARS just because that's how I'm built, but if ten people per year actually use it on Roamios I'd be surprised. We don't need me anymore.
     
  13. Aug 29, 2013 #753 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    lessd

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    Don't say that, you have done us a great service for us DIY people, good luck and if I can help just PM me.
     
  15. Aug 29, 2013 #755 of 3265
    Jonathan_S

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    :eek: Oops. I hadn't looked into it (having not build a HTCP) and naively assumed it was a whole drive toggle.

    Thanks for correcting me.
     
  16. Aug 29, 2013 #756 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    In retrospect, I can see how my post kind of left the door wide-open for one to make that very assumption (if they didn't know what we both now do).

    I've also thought about the question "Why would TiVo keep writing AV as regular data, and not use the streaming support in every TiVo drive?".

    1. May break interoperability or backward-compatibility, MRV, MRS, TiVo Desktop.

    2. Could require re-encoding on-the-fly before it could ever be transferred and/or streamed off the TiVo (and eat up processor cycles).

    3. They figure "It isn't broken, so don't fix it" (or are just lazy).

    4. We don't even know enough yet to know if it is enabled, or can be enabled, on the Roamio.

    It begs the question "Why do they use AV-rated (AV streaming capable) drives?". Contrary to what some believe, AV-rated, and 24x7-rated, are two separate ratings. The former means it supports something, the latter is more of a badge, with the manufacturer's blessing.

    That's something that there are many theories about, and has been the subject of much debate (besides this thread). I'm afraid to even touch it again, since it can only lead to speculation/debate/WAGs, and the like.

    Although, if you think about the platforms (security/video surveillance) that use the streaming, how many videos are being recorded and played-back at a time... I would think that a casino surveillance system would be using the streaming function to full-potential, plus writing the date/time stamps in a separate data stream, in a non-AV mode (to insure against corruption).

    EDIT/ADD: I'll take a poke at this anyway... Long before there were TiVos and mainstream TV DVRs, there was surveillance, where the drive trying to correct an error, rather than keep the video streaming consistently, could be a really big deal. That's EXACTLY what AV-rated drives were ORIGINALLY marketed for use in. It's only been recently, that they ADDED personal DVR use as a target market, even though TiVo was already using them. Maybe TiVo keeps on thinking someday they'll turn it on and make use of it. But, unlike a surveillance system, TiVo only needs to if they reach a certain number of streams, or wants to put multiple streams onto one screen, in realtime, like a surveillance system can do. I'm sure the drive manufacturers must've either given TiVo a great offer, or applied some pressure, but can I prove that? No.
     
  18. Aug 29, 2013 #758 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    New 2TB drive is in, going through 1st call in and download now.

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  19. Aug 29, 2013 #759 of 3265
    Millionaire2K

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    I just did this today also. All went well.

    However getting the lid off and on was a pain. It still seems loose. Also all 4 feet fell off during the upgrade. :(
     
  20. Aug 29, 2013 #760 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Odd, I did not lose any feet but have been seeing people dealing with that.

    There ya go

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