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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 28, 2013 #701 of 3265
    larrs

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    I thought that was only implemented recently on green drives and older drives were OK. Waiting on some of the other members to chime in before I try it.
     
  2. Aug 28, 2013 #702 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Theodore, Al.

    Not sure on that one.
     
  3. Aug 28, 2013 #703 of 3265
    bodosom

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    Are people using the T10 to remove the rails like using a T8 to remove the HDMI T10 screw?

    My Roamio has T15 rail screws just like my Premiere (and I think the HR10).

    Also I lost one of the rubber feet because the cover was much harder to get off than I expected.

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  4. Aug 28, 2013 #704 of 3265
    cr33p

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    aaronwt

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  6. Aug 28, 2013 #706 of 3265
    cr33p

    cr33p New Member

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    Unfortunately yes :(
    Im a bit of a gambler myself
     
  7. Aug 28, 2013 #707 of 3265
    RockinRay

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    Cover removal was really hard for me too - what is the trick?
     
  8. Aug 28, 2013 #708 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    Yep, only the center screw (long one) needs to be removed as mentioned.

    Not sure on this one.. I have a package of tips and I just swapped until I got the right one.. So, it does like I needed 3 tips (#10 for center bit, #8 for drive tray and #15 for drive - I think).

    Also, my Basic came already losing two rubber feet (not even in the box). The other two fell off while flipping it around upgrading the hard drive (just left them off). If I need rubber feet, I will go out buy real ones which will also allow for more air flow underneath too.

    Took me a bit too with amseven11 saying to slide.. Figured out on my basic it was pop off from back to front. The front has a little plastic lip that fits under another metal lip on the bottom. To put on just reverse, put the little lip in first then pop on from front to back (tho, it require a little finesse to keep the lip in on the front and lift top a bit allow it to go back - if that makes sense)
     
  9. Aug 28, 2013 #709 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Some pics. Wasn't hard at all, will be ready to go for the 2TB AV-GP drive tomorrow.

    Back of case, just take out screw over esata connector
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    I started at the back, right in the middle, and worked my fingers in. Keep sliding back and forth across the back slowly working the cover up. Once you get around on the sides of the plastic cover and the back is free, it'll just pop right off. Did not have to use much power at all.
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    Plate with drive just has 3 screws and comes right out. If you have ever installed drives in a PC before, it's that easy.
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    Pipeline 500gig
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  10. Aug 28, 2013 #710 of 3265
    RockinRay

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    Thanks for the tips... I have put a 2 TB green drive in my unit and decided to get a 3 TB drive and be done with it. The 3 TB WD AV drive arrives Thursday so I will put it in right away.

    When I put the 2 TB drive in, I thought I would not get the top off without breaking it - that hard... So, I will try again!
     
  11. Aug 28, 2013 #711 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Theodore, Al.
    I assume all the settings are not saved with a new drive, and will a new software download be needed?
     
  12. Aug 28, 2013 #712 of 3265
    RockinRay

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    Yes and yes. But it goes fairly quickly....

    In my case, I moved the season passes to my Premier via the web so all I had to do was move them back. Worked quite well....
     
  13. Aug 28, 2013 #713 of 3265
    shfawaz

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    I'm wondering if using a 1Tb DVR Expander with a 3Tb drive will work? Anyone try this?
     
  14. Aug 28, 2013 #714 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Theodore, Al.
    Awesome, thanks.
     
  15. Aug 28, 2013 #715 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    This is a MYTH, that keeps getting passed around. TiVo doesn't use the ATA (AV) streaming extensions command set, so ALL data is written as any old data, without the special AV features and without different error handling. AV drives ONLY run in AV mode when the host and software enable it. Without being enabled, the drive uses the VERY SAME error handling techniques as a non-AV drive.

    It's also a MYTH that you shouldn't use AV drives in a computer. They behave them same as a non-AV drive, unless it's a media center PC, and the software and hardware support, and enable the AV (ATA) streaming extensions. Then they are actually more desirable for PC use.

    As far as Intellipark goes, there is a brief moment on a warm reboot (from the menus), where most of the GP drives can park, and your TiVo can hang at the startup screen.

    I have verified that ALL of TiVo's factory AV-GP drives have Intellipark disabled. I've seen reports (and witnessed) that the newest AV-GP drives ship from WD with Intellipark disabled. But, non-AV drives that are GP require you to disable it yourself.

    There is a brief, but long enough time on a menu reboot, or if the TiVo reboots itself, where the TiVo is not in control of the drive, and the default Intellipark setting allows the drive to park (or attempt to).

    These myths were born from drop-in-and-go drive sellers, who want people to believe they need an AV-rated drive.

    You can also just increase the Intellipark timeout to 300 seconds, instead of 8 seconds, rather than disable it entirely. While a TiVo has no use for it, some older AV-GP and GP drives started behaving badly when fully disabled. WD has corrected this issue, quite a while back.

    I can't comment on Seagate, as I have never had one come in a TiVo, nor have I used one as an upgrade drive.
     
  16. Aug 29, 2013 #716 of 3265
    lessd

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    Just curious as to how you know what TiVo is using in the Roamio Hard drive system, the file system is different than all previous TiVos, as non of our copy tool can even see a Roamio basic TiVo drive even after the software is on the drive. Not saying your incorrect.
     
  17. Aug 29, 2013 #717 of 3265
    Series3Sub

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    And Weeknees is still working on getting 4TB to work on Roamios. Just adding in case others didn't start at the beginning of thread. I think Weeknees views cracking the 3TB barrier as necessary for business.
     
  18. Aug 29, 2013 #718 of 3265
    Alanbrad

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    True test will be the next restart since the first one did actually have to find the new drive, connections, etc.

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  19. Aug 29, 2013 #719 of 3265
    elwaylite

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    Theodore, Al.
    Well, so far I have one person here, and several people in other forums with contradicting stories. Facts would be nice, or at least proof. Im not picking a side, I just note neither side provided anything other than "Im right".

    Looking at it in a way that intellipark is not used, and if it does not ignore sector issues while writing video with the device telling it so, why do DVR manufacturers use pipeline drives and AV-GP drives? There has to be something there, I wouldn't think they were exactly the same as say a caviar green and these people are getting hustled by WD and Seagate. Both the Pipeline and AV-GP claim 24x7 reliability, but not sure what they mean.
     
  20. Aug 29, 2013 #720 of 3265
    jfh3

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    Ditto. Hardest part was getting the cover off! Other than that, the easiest and fastest Tivo drive upgrade I've ever done.
     

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