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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 24, 2013 #541 of 3265
    ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    You are 100% correct. I can't promise anything beyond the fact that it's completely read only in backup mode. Obviously the warranty is void the minute you open the box, and no one knows what the heck is on the drive (if anything) at this point.

    I hope that some people will take the chance anyway, but if you have any doubts DON'T risk it - just plug it in and enjoy the TiVo goodness.
     
  2. Aug 24, 2013 #542 of 3265
    jodell

    jodell TiVo geek

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    I believe the MBT line in system information is the Mother Board Temperature.

    My Roamio with 2 TB drive has been running for 20+ hours in my closet that houses all my equipment. After recording (and transferring) about 50 hours worth or shows, all is well so far. The MBT is 50.

    Jeff
     
  3. Aug 24, 2013 #543 of 3265
    ballpython06

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    Unless I am mistaken, I am seeing 6w/ 5.5w/.75w for WD AV-GP ( WD30EURS) the 3tb.
     
  4. Aug 24, 2013 #544 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Hey guys Im going to eat something then will do the hard drive images. Please help me find a way to upload them so I can get them to you guys tonight.
     
  5. Aug 24, 2013 #545 of 3265
    mike123abc

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    How are you measuring? Draw on the main plug? If TiVo had an 80% efficient power supply, it would draw 20% more at the plug...
     
  6. Aug 24, 2013 #546 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    He is referring to the specs for that model drive not a measured power result.
     
  7. Aug 24, 2013 #547 of 3265
    Crrink

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    Self quote...
    So much for my big talk. Have a WD 3Tb Red drive on the way.
    Got a Red because I found a Newegg coupon that made it ~$20 cheaper than a Green AV-GP drive. Quick research didn't seem to turn up any reason the Green should be better suited than the Red - let me know if I missed something!

    Will do the upgrade in a few days when the drive arrives.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2013 #548 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Cool, let us know how that one works out please, thanks!

    I'm wondering if that one will have to have the wdidle3 done on it, guess we will find out :)
     
  9. Aug 25, 2013 #549 of 3265
    jfh3

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    The red drives are a bit noisier than green, but I don't find it that noticeable. Red isn't optimized for video, but I don't think that is as important as being certified as 24/7.
     
  10. Aug 25, 2013 #550 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    I ended up working 16 hours today so I was surprised this thread isn't longer like when I got home late Friday night. Anyway it sounds like someone used a 3TB drive in the Plus so I guess I'm all set to do the Plus upgrade. Although I was hoping to get to BestBuy on Sunday but I have to work now so I'm not sure if I will make it there.

    What about the Seasoan Passes? Will the Roamio retain the SPs if you upgrade thed drive? Whether locally or online really doesn't matter to me as long as they are retained somehow. If I make it to BB and they have a Plus I'll pick it up and just throw a 2 TB Seagate in it for now. Then I'll order a 3TB WD AV drive from Amazon next week. It's been at least a couple of years since I messed with a TiVo hard drive. Does the Plus and Pro take the same torx bits as the last few TiVo models? I must have close to a dozen of them around somewhere in my closets.
     
  11. Aug 25, 2013 #551 of 3265
    jfh3

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    If it's a new drive, the SPs should be restored from the TiVo.com mother ship after the drive has been built. I haven't tested this yet; waiting for my drive to show up.

    Yes, T10 for the Plus/Pro. Also need a T8 for the base model.
     
  12. Aug 25, 2013 #552 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    Sounds good. Thanks..
     
  13. Aug 25, 2013 #553 of 3265
    Crrink

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    Hmm...the spec sheets on the WD site showed the same noise levels for both red and green 3tb drives, and I had read some anecdotal stuff claiming the red drives were quieter, so I was hoping that would be the case.

    Won't be the end of the world either way, but I'd have paid more for a quieter drive.

    FWIW the 2TB Green drive I have in the TiVo HD the Roamio Base is replacing is louder than the stock drive in the Roamio. I have to put my ear within 6" to tell the difference, so again, not a big deal, but something to add to the information pile.

    RE: wdidle, I've also read anecdotally that the red drives don't park, so wdidle shouldn't need to be run, but I'll be sure to test warm and cold booting to be sure.

    Hopefully be able to report back by mid-week.
     
  14. Aug 25, 2013 #554 of 3265
    sailordave

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    I dropped in the WD 30 EURS last night and have been running it for about 12 hours. Got over 450 hours of HD recoding available on the standard unit. I have been recording 3-4 Shows and transferred a few Shows between Tivos. Checked the temperature and it is been between 48-49 the whole time. So far so good!

    Dave
     
  15. Aug 25, 2013 #555 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Contact the author of DVRBARS and ask him to send you a Dropbox invite. By accepting the invite, each person gets a bonus of an extra 500MB on top of the FREE 2GB you get with a free account.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=207112

    Once you have installed Dropbox, which the invite will include a download link for, just put the file(s) in a shared folder, and then contact the author again, with the link(s) to the file(s) in the shared folder.

    He can then modify his software, if necessary. to insure the restore portion works properly. He's also the best suited to analyze the image(s).

    Helpful tip: Zip compress the file(s) down by either using the "send to compressed folder" option in windows, or use WinZip, if you don't have that option. It takes the already small (by comparison to the drive size), file(s) and will make them much smaller than they already are, making it faster to upload them, and for anybody else to download them.

    I wouldn't recommend posting a PUBLIC link to the file(s). It's always best to just have people PM or email you a request for the link(s). We aren't supposed to post links to TiVo images on here directly. Just keep it on the down-low.

    Don't forget, he's looking for a before (never booted) & after (setup completed) image. Just a before image can yield at least the answer to the question of "Is the included drive blank when shipped?".

    I'll say it again: Thanks for everything. It is all very much appreciated.
     
  16. Aug 25, 2013 #556 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    One question that we may want to know the answer to before ordering anything other than an AV-rated drive, is "Has TiVo finally started using the ATA streaming extensions command set?".

    If you put in anything other than an AV-rated drive (like a WD Red), and they finally started using true AV streaming, it may work, it may not, and it may work, but run into problems as the drive gets fragmented and is trying to write those 4 or 6 streams, while you try to watch a recorded program, etc.

    So far, all these tests have been conducted with AV-rated drives...

    My best guess as to determining the answer to the question in quotes is waiting to hear from somebody who has installed a non-AV rated drive, and has FULLY tested it under all possible parameters (if it even works at all)...

    Footnote: While I specifically mentioned the WD Red, I don't know if it may support the ATA streaming extensions, or not. It might, and just not be marketed as an AV-rated drive. I'll try to find time to run through the spec sheets on those later. I have some first generation SATA-1 WD drives that were sold as "multimedia drives", and they support it, according to what one of the many tools out there spit-out as supported features.
     
  17. Aug 25, 2013 #557 of 3265
    jodell

    jodell TiVo geek

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    Restoring season passes from tivo.com works just fine. I merged two SP lists onto the Roamio that will replace two Premiers. Beware that for a while after restoring the season passes, some may say "Corrupt - delete me" in the Tivo Season Pass screen. Just let the Tivo update with a full guide and then process the SPs. After about 2 hours, all was well with my season passes.

    Jeff
     
  18. Aug 25, 2013 #558 of 3265
    shoeboo

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    A quick update, since I updated my base Roamio to 3tb yesterday I have been transferring and recording shows and now have over 80 hours of HD. My disk usage is at 17% which should mean I have surpassed the 500gb original capacity.
    My MBT has been 48 every time I checked.
     
  19. Aug 25, 2013 #559 of 3265
    uberloo

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    Question for those of you who have installed a replacement drive, and also to those who haven't - what 'Manufacturer Brand' does your Roamio list in System Information? Mine has 'TiVo Customer Support' and I have a replacement drive installed. I'm curious if this is different on an unmodified unit.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2013 #560 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    Cool, hadn't realized that was possible. I have 2 S3s to transfer over and this will make it a lot easier.. Course over the years, those season pass lists have grown with all those cancelled series and a little pruning might be necessary. :cool:
     

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