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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 24, 2013 #521 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    Ditto. The extra TB would probably be sitting there empty for me 99%-100% of the time anyway.

    The motherboard isn't the best place to mount a thermocouple - it won't be all that sensitive to temperature swings on the cpu and hard drive, which are probably the maximum temps in the box. Changes in the MBT are probably more correlated to the air temp in the box. I remember when I first saw that MBT readout on the System Info screen I thought it was just for show to make things look cooler in there than they really are.
     
  2. Aug 24, 2013 #522 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    By contrast the MBT on my Premiere XL runs 36-37.
     
  3. Aug 24, 2013 #523 of 3265
    lessd

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    Somebody would have to look at the MBT of a non modified Roamio, then put in the bigger drive and look at the difference, if any. I don't know if you can compare MBT between say a Series 4 and the Roamio.
     
  4. Aug 24, 2013 #524 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    True enough, but it confirms the intuitive assumption that the base Roamio would run warmer than anything in the larger form factor.
     
  5. Aug 24, 2013 #525 of 3265
    ncbill

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    yeah, I think I'll wait a few months (at least until day 91) and gather more feedback before upgrading my Roamio Basic.
     
  6. Aug 24, 2013 #526 of 3265
    jcthorne

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    The Roamio basic has a thermal sensor. Shows up in the system information.

    MBT = 45

    Mother Board Temperature = 45 deg C
     
  7. Aug 24, 2013 #527 of 3265
    dlfl

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    More "by contrast": My Tivo HD (model 652) runs 43C to 45C. What's acceptable for a Roamio may be different than for other models anyway.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2013 #528 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    My two 1TB S3s are running 48C(Normal) and 49C(Normal) according to the system info.
     
  9. Aug 24, 2013 #529 of 3265
    eDbolson

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    eDbolson

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    Well, my first "mass storage device" was this - a block addressable tape drive! Yes, the operating system actually ran on tape. So much fun to watch it move back and forth to load different modules.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Aug 24, 2013 #531 of 3265
    jcthorne

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    Well yet one more Roamio now has 2TB of storage. 316 Hrs of HD space. Been running about an hour so far since redoing guided setup and mother board temp is running 43 so about the same as with the Seagate 500GB drive so far.

    My Roamio had been running for several days now and had about 35 or so shows recorded including a number that had been pushed by pyTivo. Resending those now.
     
  12. Aug 24, 2013 #532 of 3265
    Crrink

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    My unmodified Roamio basic is noticeably warm to the touch on the top case, above the hard drive.
    Using a decent IR thermometer I get measurements in the mid 80F range along the top cover, and if I measure at the vents on the side the HDD is on I get a max of around 105F.
    My MBT reading is 44C, ambient room temp is about 75F.

    My Roamio will sit in an open shelf with lots of room for airflow on the sides, so I'm not too concerned about heat issues, but I don't think I'd want to run one of these in an enclosed cabinet without at least an external exhaust fan.
    I'm hoping a 3Tb drive won't add much heat, but think I'm going to wait for some data from folks who've upgraded before I take the plunge.
     
  13. Aug 24, 2013 #533 of 3265
    cpgny9

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    Just to further confirm......got my Roamio Plus this morning at Best Buy (they had a couple in stock to my surprise), came home, opened it up and installed a 2tb drive - one I had laying around.....originally in a premiere elite, that i had accidentally erased (long story, don't ask). Swapping out the hard drive was simple and took only a couple of minutes. When i plugged in the tivo, everything booted up fine and it installed the service update. I called and switched my tivo service from my old unit, called and swapped my optimum cable card (which was surprisingly easy...took all of 3 minutes) and now the roamio is running like a champ. Shows 315hrs HD recording space.

    I did have a little issue with all the channels not showing up on all 6 tuners, but after a reboot and re-running the guided setup...everything works perfectly. The temp is between 38-40 which is about where my XL4 was. I even tested recording 6 different shows at the same time and everything worked without any real noticible diff in temp.

    The speed of the roamio is quite impressive...huge diff between it and my old XL4. Tested Netflix & MLB TV and its night and day in comparison to the XL4. MLB TV was almost unusable on the XL4 it was so slow, but now it's almost as fast as appleTV. Same goes with Netflix.
     
  14. Aug 24, 2013 #534 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    There are a few KB for headers in the VHD format. After that every 2MB block that's all zeroes only takes up 4 bytes. Any 2MB block that's not all zeroes gets copied as is and takes an additional 4 bytes as a pointer to the data and another 512 bytes for a "bitmap". It's anyone's guess as to the new drive format or lack thereof, but a raw 2TB drive that's all zeroes should compress down to about 4MB.

    I hope to buy a Pro in the next week or so just for research, and with PapaArt's base model image that I should have by then and a Plus image from you that's a good start.
     
  15. Aug 24, 2013 #535 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    I always remembered my Tivo HD's ran a little bit hotter than the Premiere models, and from what I remember the Series 2's ran even hotter, but I cant remember that far back at the exact number.
     
  16. Aug 24, 2013 #536 of 3265
    geekmedic

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    I'm a little confused. Can you transfer service to a new TiVo? Does that keep your rate plan?
     
  17. Aug 24, 2013 #537 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    I finally set up my base Roamio. Shortly after guided setup finished MBT was 45 and kept creeping up a degree at a time. I've messed around with it quite a bit this afternoon and MBT seems to have stabilized at 48. This is with the 500MB stock (presumably Seagate) hard drive. Room temperature is about 24 C.
     
  18. Aug 24, 2013 #538 of 3265
    cpgny9

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    If your plan is month to month and not in commitment, you can. I think it was more of a cancel and activate, though. Rate pan stayed the same for me.
     
  19. Aug 24, 2013 #539 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    I have no real doubt that the physical process will work. My question is - Is there anything recoverable on the backup and restore? IOW, If I restore a Roamio backup to a drive and put it in a TiVo, is anything on the drive needed or useful, even it is put in the same TiVo as the backup source.

    At the very least, it appears as though imaging a drive prior to installing it in a Roamio isn't necessary, but that has not yet been fully verified via load testing.

    That was what went into my reasoning for suggesting that people wait until it is confirmed that the DIY upgraded Roamios perform correctly before any further mucking about with the stock drives.
     
  20. Aug 24, 2013 #540 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    I had gotten my Western Digital power numbers for the av-gp eurs series off of a retailers website. I just went to the WD website and looked at the data sheet: they say both the 3TB and 2TB have 4.4 W/4.1 W/0.6 W read-write/idle/sleep power, so maybe it makes no difference between those two. The Seagate Pipeline 500mb spec sheet gives it's power as 3.4 W/3.0 W/0.7 W.
     

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