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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 23, 2013 #461 of 3265
    cherry ghost

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    How's it going to work if one doesn't upgrade immediately and has recordings they want to move to the upgrade drive? What if CableCards are already installed before the upgrade? I know these can't be answered yet.
     
  2. Aug 23, 2013 #462 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Are you using just a disc of Partition Magic, or are you using Ultimate Boot CD?
     
  3. Aug 23, 2013 #463 of 3265
    amseven11

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    from everything I can tell you can't yet move recording to a drive unless some sort of tool is created? But once you insert a new drive it did make me go through all the setup steps again.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2013 #464 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Would Partition Magic see the TiVo Partitions?
     
  5. Aug 23, 2013 #465 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Just a bootable disc Partition Magic disc, and I write the files to my RAM to boot with nothing hooked up SATA other then the Tivo drive.
     
  6. Aug 23, 2013 #466 of 3265
    amseven11

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    It should? It always has seen my directiv hard drives.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2013 #467 of 3265
    Dan203

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    Hmmm... Two possibilities...

    1) Whatever software you're using isn't reading the drive right

    2) All the settings and data are stored on the flash and the only reason it made you repeat setup is because it detected you had inserted a different drive.

    If it's #2 I wonder if it's keyed to the SN of the drive? If it is then you may never be able to copy shows from one drive to another.
     
  8. Aug 23, 2013 #468 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Unless TiVo started using a partition and filesystem scheme that a PC with Windows ALONE using DISK MANAGER, can see, you need DVRBARS. Just like you'd use WinMFS, and not the PC's Operating System alone, but boot Windows and use WinMFS, or in this case, boot Windows and use DVRBARS.

    The author of DVRBARS is fully interested in a drive backup, EVEN IF THE DRIVE SEEMS TO BE EMPTY, as well as the same drive, after it has been booted and set-up.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2013 #469 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Well, surely Tivo didnt change the file system to an unrecognizeable file type :eek: I know Motorola DCX3501M's have an unrecognizeable file system so hmmm, this is odd.
     
  10. Aug 24, 2013 #470 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Partition Magic is not capable of recognizing TiVo partitions/filesystems (unless TiVo changed to one of the widely used, non-proprietary ones).

    That being said, if we go with that TiVo tradition, NONE of the retail/downloadable/free partition management tools will recognize it correctly, unless it's Linux-based and the right tool for the job. Even commercial software that runs on Linux usually can't handle a TiVo structure. It's only RAW copy (sector by sector) tools that can copy or backup such things (since it doesn't care what is there, or isn't there, or if it recognizes it as a valid filesystem or partition, it just copies, even if the whole drive is blank).

    Just to be clear, when I was talking about WinMFS, that's an old tool, which ran under Windows, for older TiVos, which predate the Premiere, and didn't work with the Premiere's altered structure.

    DVRBARS is the new Windows-based software for dealing virtually any TiVo ever made. The author would like to make sure the software doesn't need any updates for the new products. There's only one way to help him with that. He gives us this awesome tool, FOR FREE, and at his expense. I've already spelled out what he's looking for a few times now.
     
  11. Aug 24, 2013 #471 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Partition Magic will very likely also identify it as blank. PM has never been able to handle/identify proprietary filesystems.
     
  12. Aug 24, 2013 #472 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Is there a different software I should try? I have no problem giving it a shot
     
  13. Aug 24, 2013 #473 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    ydc

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    Hmmmm. I know that with Linux volume manager (LVM), you can also add an entire unpartitioned drive to the volume. I wonder if they're using some scheme like that? Not necessarily LVM but many something similar?
     
  15. Aug 24, 2013 #475 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    You can try to go into Copywipe, and hit F6 and it should display the partitions, size of them, and what format they are, I've done that before.
     
  16. Aug 24, 2013 #476 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Is that on ultimate boot cd? Nevermind I found it, is there a bootable version?
     
  17. Aug 24, 2013 #477 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    DirecTiVo drives have always been a bird of a different feather.
     
  18. Aug 24, 2013 #478 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Yes it is. You will get to the main screen, and see HDD and hit that, then wiping, and then you will see Copywipe. Once the program boots up you will see BIOS drives, and then like youre going to wipe it, and then hit F6 for the drive to display partitions, then just ESC back out of it all after you take a pic, if you need to.

    Yes that is a bootable CD.
     
  19. Aug 24, 2013 #479 of 3265
    ydc

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    I guess it's been many many years since I've used Partition Magic. I could very well see that it might not recognize the file system but recognizing disk partitions is much more basic than that. Maybe they've switched over to a Guid partition structure like Apple?

    Just throwing out possibilities here....
     
  20. Aug 24, 2013 #480 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Why is everybody pushing for use of tools, that when used by somebody unfamiliar with them, could nuke the whole darn thing?

    DVRBARS running within Windows can BACK UP the drive.

    Then it is safe to fiddle away with tools that have strong potential for corrupting the disk.

    If a backup is made, FIRST, then there is a backup ready to quickly restore the drive to as it was.

    This push is just reckless disregard for safety, in the name of impatience!

    For those who don't know already, DVRBARS takes very little time to backup a TiVo drive that has never been booted, and compresses down to sizes that can fit on small USB thumbdrives. It's also fast on a booted drive, but the size of the backup increases, as more data on the drive is changed and written to it.
     

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