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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 23, 2013 #361 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Uh, then why has TiVo been using AV-GP drives all this time? They are GreenPower drives as well, with an additional AV-rating. That's what the "GP" means in "AV-GP".

    Don't take it the wrong way. But, as you say, you're not up to speed on this. Before the AV-GP drives fell drastically in price, everybody was using the standard GreenPower drives, without the AV rating (less those who had the extra money to spend, and wanted the AV-GP).
     
  2. Aug 23, 2013 #362 of 3265
    PapaArt

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    Sorry, no. But if there are instructions I can follow them. I have MFS Live CD if that will work. My background is in programming automation devices for the manufacturing of hard drives and others.

    PapaArt
     
  3. Aug 23, 2013 #363 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I've never seen any real difference between Green, Blue and Black WDs in a TiVo except for the heat factor. The AV rating is more about noise level than performance IMO, and every modern drive is designed to run 24/7.

    I'm sitting 6 feet from 4 TiVos running Blues and the only thing I can hear is the fan on my UPS. YMMV.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2013 #364 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I had installed and ultimately removed both a WD Green and WD Blue from a Series 3 TiVo because the seek noise was pretty noticeable to me. I put in a Samsung Spinpoint which was tolerable but when that TiVo was moved to the master bedroom the noise was enough that I put the factory drive back into that particular unit.

    I think it's relative and I think that if someone can tolerate the noise and cooling is not a concern they can probably put in whatever they want. I'm not sure though if drives that have profiles designed more for traditional desktop use in which they do more reading and less writing will have more issues over time as ones running firmware designed for NAS, surveillance or DVR type use.
     
  5. Aug 23, 2013 #365 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    Not necessary. See my previous post re full backups.

    P.S. THANKS for being the first person to volunteer! A read-only backup couldn't possibly hurt the drive, but technically it would void the warranty if you open the box.
     
  6. Aug 23, 2013 #366 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    There's whole threads full of the instructions (but it's tough to navigate and find what you need) here. Wikipedia has a nice page on GNU DD_RESCUE, as well as links to similar utilities, and the sites that host the documentation and instruction. If you need help, we'll cross that bridge, if/when you get there. ggieseke said his DVRBARS program can even copy a blank drive, so I'm guessing it won't be necessary.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2013 #367 of 3265
    PapaArt

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    Understood! I saw your message afterwards.

    Taking the drive out to make the backup and then putting it back in system does not void the warranty.:eek: Waiting on a 2Tb EURS drive for an upgrade.

    PapaArt

    P.S. Glad to help!
     
  8. Aug 23, 2013 #368 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    Just ordered a Roamio Basic and a 3TB WD30EURS from Amazon.. This will replace my two 1TB S3s w/Lifetime.. Looking forward to 1 TiVo with all my videos in one place, four tuners and an RF remote so I can control it from all the TVs without dealing with IR distribution.. :D

    Just have to wait until Wednesday to get it and start the upgrade.... :rolleyes:

    PS. Since I used a Amazon Store card, I also got 6mos interest free.... cool.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2013 #369 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Have you ever tried setting the acoustic management settings on any of those drives? Some can be set, some can't. I use an old version of Hitachi Feature Tool to do it on any drive that allows it to be set. I actually disable it, and even in my bedroom, other ambient noise still exceeds the noise the drive makes with no acoustic management. Others set it to the max. YMMV, of course.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2013 #370 of 3265
    donnoh

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    I used to have excellent hearing. Try working 30 years in a noisy manufacturing plant and hearing hard drive noise would be a big plus.
     
  11. Aug 23, 2013 #371 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    What? Hard Drive noise? I couldn't hear you over the barking dogs... ;)
     
  12. Aug 23, 2013 #372 of 3265
    JasonD

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    If you use the WD green power saver drive do you have to enable the park feature in order to have the drive not wear itself out after a couple of months?
     
  13. Aug 23, 2013 #373 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    From the TiVo.com website (emphasis mine):

    Before anyone jumps in here, I am not saying that TiVo will enforce this clause even if knew what you had done, just that it exists and that, unless you can remove the drive and put it back in w/o removing the cover, doing so does indeed void the warranty.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2013 #374 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I actually have worked in telephone and network switch rooms for most of my career and have quite a lot of hearing loss in the mid-band. My hearing of high frequency noise is still quite acute though, which is why I am easily bothered by things like noisy hard drive seek.

    In any event, most users probably would not be bothered, and the biggest risk as someone else pointed out would be thermal issues caused by using a drive that dissipates a lot more heat than the drive the device ships with.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #375 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    or at least do so without destroying that label... I was able to open/close my S3s and that void label never moved since the label was never stuck to anything but the outer cover... hehehe
     
  16. Aug 23, 2013 #376 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    Well, technically Apple tells you that opening up their computers similarly voids your warranty, but I know many people who have hacked their Macs with different parts and never heard of one of them getting grief from Apple if they made a warranty claim.

    If TiVo is really worried about it they will put a "warranty void if broken" type of seal on the retail units. Until then, they have no way of knowing (unless they are logging to the flash drive via log file and will go through the trouble of investigating it) if you replaced the drive, especially if you put the original back in before having it services.
     
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    MeInDallas

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    Please let us know how the 3TB works in the basic, thanks! :D
     
  18. Aug 23, 2013 #378 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    The AV drives like WD20EURS come with Intellipark already disabled, but the regular Green drives like a WD20EZRX will come with it set for 8 seconds, so in the past you have to disable it or set it higher to get a Tivo to boot past the first screen, we dont know if you still have to do that yet. With a Tivo the heads will never park anyhow, they write 24/7.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2013 #379 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    Will do... I plan to doing the same as amseven11, unwrap TiVo slap in 3TB and power-on, then setup OTA...
     
  20. Aug 23, 2013 #380 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    Near as I can tell from what I read, keeping the intellipark feature enabled, at least with the default setting, can reduce the service life of the drive as there are a limited number of times it can park. This is if it is going in a PC.

    In a TiVo, the only time it comes into play is on a soft boot. It never parks during normal operation. It does get parked when it goes idle during the boot process and it does not get "un-parked" fast enough when queried by the TiVo.

    At least that is my understanding of the issue but there is some annecdotal evidence that it has been addressed and is no longer an issue.
     

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