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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I actually have one of those now. The handle with like 40 interchangeable bits. But at the time I was desperate and that set of 10 full torx screwdrivers was all I could find. I had a cheap one I had used on an XBox I thought would work but it was the wrong size so I had to find something quick.
  2. lessd

    lessd Active Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    One must also consider the following:

    TiVo may be shipping blank drives with all the new Roamios so no backup could be made, that would be one cost advantage TiVo has with a self formatting drive system, no preloading of the new hard drives with any software. Just purchase the OEM blank drives and put them in the Roamio.
  3. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Mine has 100 pieces, which means 98 bits, an extension, and a driver.
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    As I posted in the other thread, where you said the same thing:

    True. But with a raw sector-by-sector backup, you can still copy even a blank drive (which will be a ton of zeroes).

    If there is anything on there at all, a raw copy would copy that.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. We just don't know what, if anything, is on a stock drive (for sure).
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    Will the DVRBARS backup even work on a blank (or almost blank) drive? I think it looks for some TiVo/linux type formatting.
  6. DaveDFW

    DaveDFW Member

    Jan 25, 2005
    Richardson, TX
    Does anyone know what brand of hard drives Weaknees is supplying with their upgraded Roamios?
  7. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    We won't know for sure, until somebody tries it. The author of DVRBARS has requested anybody willing to do it, to try it.

    If that fails, there's always JMFS, and using GNU DD_Rescue from the command line, as opposed to the guided menus. Which, again, somebody would have to try first. But, it will make a copy, even if it is a blank drive.
  8. andyw715

    andyw715 Active Member

    Jul 31, 2007

    That makes sense. That way during the model lifetime "any" off the shelf drive can be purchased and delivered in the Roamio.

    By having a little less grip on the hardware side of things, it makes it cheaper for TiVo to manufacture the boxes (i.e. the price of 2 and 3 TB drivers will naturally decrease. At some point in time the smallish drive in the base model will become expensive enough that TiVo can then promote models with new and improved larger capacities)
  9. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

    What would be nice are partition maps of:

    1. A stock drive before setup
    2. A stock drive after setup
    3. An upgrade drive after setup

    It would also be interesting to know if a WD drive will work properly with intellipark enabled.
  10. astrohip

    astrohip Active Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston & Brenham TX
    Do you ever read your posts before you post them? There's no reason not to use basic courtesy in this forum. Someone comments (correctly), in an innocuous manner, how we've drifted off-topic, and you reply "I don't answer to non-moderators". That's simply rude.

    Someone posts the amazing results of a blank drive boot-up, spends a fair amount of time responding, but also makes it clear he's not willing to take a bunch of off-topic (for him) actions, such as setup for OTA when he has stated he is waiting on a cc. And you snidely comment on how "we'll have to wait for somebody who is willing to try what MANY keep asking for". Again, outright rude.

    I don't put you on ignore, because I do read and value many of your posts. You have some good feedback on many topics. But may I suggest you take a less confrontational approach to some of your replies. It can't hurt.:)
  11. kettledrum

    kettledrum Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Fishers, IN
    The best I can tell, the OP's last post was about 10.5 hours ago. Heaven forbid he have to sleep or go to work.

    I wouldn't throw him under the bus for not responding to posts or questions in this timeframe.
  12. MeInDallas

    MeInDallas New Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Dallas, Texas
    From what I could tell he wasnt going to mess with it anymore until cable was installed, so he might not even be looking at this thread anymore until then.
  13. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Have you not seen the way I've been treated on this forum? I've even been called-out as inferior, just because I didn't join 12 years ago, and don't have a post count over 10,000. So, excuse me, if I say that my posts are nothing, compared to the truly personal attacks directed at me, that make what you are quoting NOTHING, but maybe some mildly bad ways of wording things.

    I'll admit that I DID recently post a few things that were out-of-line, after looking back at them. I decided to tone it down, and even PM'd a few people to apologize, and even reached mutual understandings with them.

    There is a reason I have difficulty communicating, but am very tech-minded. However, that's my personal matter, that I have to live with, so that's all the details of which I will provide.

    IMNSHO, there's a lot of trolls roaming this place freely, just waiting to pounce on any opportunity to start a fight, and keep the flames well fueled. I don't know why they are allowed to even remain members here....

    My sometimes poorly worded, or easily misinterpreted/misunderstood, posts pale in comparison to the havoc of the true trolls, whose posts are unmistakably flame-bait.

    The ignore function gives them the freedom to say anything they want and even directly attack me, and I just don't see it, while they can still see my posts and badmouth me all they like. If ignore was more like "block users" on facebook, where neither party could see the other's posts, I'd have many ignored people in my list here.

    Speaking of OT, and common courtesy, how about a PM the next time I post something you feel is somehow out of line. I still don't see it (and see no reason to edit it), unlike the other recent posts I admitted were out of line.

    I think in the future, I may refrain from saying "I don't answer to non-moderators", unless I feel it is absolutely merited. I did hesitate to post that. Maybe if I hadn't you wouldn't have made your comment...

    I'm not the least bit upset that you did. But a PM would've been the best way, IMHO. I have no qualms with you, sir. I'm not bothered by what you posted, and what I posted isn't an attack on you (just in case it comes across, or is perceived that way, on your end). :)
  14. PapaArt

    PapaArt New Member

    May 28, 2008
    SF Eastbay
    I have been in contact with the DVRBars author about sending him a full backup of a virgin drive, but it doesn't arrive until Tues. so nothing until at least Wed.

  15. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Excellent! Thank You! :up:

    Do you know how to use GNU DD_Rescue, or any of the other true raw sector-by-sector tools, in the event that DVRBARS can't identify/can't backup the drive?
  16. JasonD

    JasonD New Member

    Mar 30, 2003
    San Diego
    If you use the WD green power saver drive do you have to enable the park feature in order to have the drive not wear itself out after a couple of months?
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Not in a TiVo, even the new ones. TiVo disables Intellipark on their drives before installing them (or orders them/receives them that way). It can cause a TiVo to hang on the boot screen after a menu-initiated "warm-boot", if enabled (due to a momentary period that the drive is released from being kept running).

    A TiVo drive is always running, no matter what drive you use, so Intellipark is a useless feature in a TiVo, or any other device that makes the drive run continuously.
  18. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

    May 30, 2008
    Wow. TCF crashed because it was too busy, so I'll shorten this post.

    In Full Backup mode DvrBARS could care less what's on the drive. If it was a 10TB source and all zeroes it would end up with an image of a few hundred KB that I could analyze.

    This Husky torx screwdriver is what I bought at Home Depot years ago. T4-T15 for about $6.


    Images welcome (hint, hint).
  19. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    WD green drives were really never designed for the constant read/write cycle that a TiVo goes through, which is why they aren't recommended for replacement.

    While I think it's unlikely it would "wear out in a few months" the drive definitely could succumb to errors more quickly and a bigger concern would be heat and noise as well as possibly running into performance limits if streaming lots of HD simultaneously.

    There could be some drive profile changes that could be made to improve it, but I've only used WD green as data backup drives for the past couple of years so I'm not up to speed on what might be possible.
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Good to know. I wasn't aware that full backup mode didn't care.

    Do you still need to tell it to scan (opposed to skip, which is set by default) the alternate root partition, then? I know the answer, but figured it may benefit others to hear it from you.

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